It's an ArdeeBhoy post,Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
so what? why does he bother?
it's just going to be yet another utterly pointless post, expressing negativity or fatalism in varying degrees :)
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It's an ArdeeBhoy post,Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
so what? why does he bother?
it's just going to be yet another utterly pointless post, expressing negativity or fatalism in varying degrees :)
The d word hasn't been mentioned yet. That's diaspora by the way. Nearly half of the current squad are born outside of the FAI's jurisdiction. Sure the FAI needs to reform the whole system to improve technical abilities and depth of the player pool, but the reality is that going forward a lot of our national team players will be born outside of the FAI's club system and will continue to be raised in the British system with some more no doubt in the Australian, Canadian, and US systems among others.
Not to nit pick but Sven Rydell is seen as such an innovative player that he is probably considered the best player the Swedes ever produced. He had 49 Goals in 43 matches and was so good even in days before TV, where it would be hard to follow him, that Pele's father wanted to name Pele "Sven" instead of Edson, (true story) but Pele's mother would have none of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Also, in the current squad 6 out of 14 FAI players played in the LOI before moving.
Forde - Left at 21, back at 23 before leaving again at 26.
Coleman - Left at 20.
Hoolahan - Left at 24.
McClean - Left at 22.
Long - Left at 18.
Sammon - Left at 21.
The other 8 players left between the age of 15 and 19, mostly aged 16.
Jaysis, Edson was hardly much better. Sounds just as Nordic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Except it's the truth...Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The truth??Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Do you have a clue about 15. 16 or 17 year olds leaving home to live abroad?
The vast majority don't make it and have to come back 'home'.
Do you not think it's more desirable for young kids to be able to do their football education close to home and finish rudimentary secondary education, before leaving for the bright lights?
Should they not be the type to 'make it', would it not be more apparent at the age of 17 or 18 before they depart abroad? Another factor is that the local league benefits from having a young quality player in their team for a few seasons, as well as the considerable transfer fee that would come their way with selling on a player whose pedigree is more proven.
Instead of picking up crumbs for quality promising players, the league clubs would be able to command fees some 10 times bigger.
Thats just what I can think of offhand, I'm sure there are many more benefits to a league/country which holds onto its best players until they are 19, 20. 21 22 years old.
Does it benefit international football? who really thinks that's the reason why a local league should be stronger/richer, but I'm sure it doesn't harm the senior intl team.
You make very relevant points Geysir. Also, has anyone actually looked at the effect on players who leave home at 15 or 16 and then return 'not having made it'? I am sure that for many, this burden of having seemingly failed is one they have to face for a period of time, which can't be easy for many returned players. At the end of the day, these kids would be best served by remaining in Ireland in a familiar environment with their friends and family around them for support. If they do secure a transfer overseas at a later stage in their emotional development, they are in a better position to cope with the related demands.
He's gone. Just announced.
The more I think about O'Neill the less I fancy the idea though someone from the Sunday World is on RTE (so it must be true!) is saying he was approached last week.
Also O'Neill would the same age starting the job that Jack Charlton was when he was told they wouldn't be paying his retainer any more because he the game had outgrown him.
I've mentioned O'Leary before and I'm the only person I know who doesn't think it'd be a bad idea (unless anyone wants to pipe up) but he's a bit younger and I think he'd do just fine.
If O'Neill is a realistic possibility then I don't think we can look anywhere else tbh.
Farewell Trap.
I liked your personality and passion for the game but must admit your substitutions, obsession with playing Whelan, constant long ball tactics with 2 midgets up front and falling out with Andy Reid annoyed the hell out of me.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't be against the idea of O'Leary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Now that he's gona I have this sickening feeling of who we might actually get. Eugh! :(
Me neither. Right age profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Getting a youthful manager is double edged. Does well, he'll only last a campaign at most and the cycle begins again
O'Neill might be more suited to international management than club management nowadays. I'd imagine motivational speeches wear thin hearing them week in week out but could ideal for the format of international football. We play better with heart and desire than any other style and it also appeals to the public more imo so he could be the best man for the job.
Don't mind so much who gets the job once its the end of playing for 10 minutes and then retreating for following 80 minutes.
What's your opinion worth these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
you do remember why Gary Speed is no longer the Wales manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dermotron
Christ, bad mistake, was full sure he was at Sheffield United at the time. Must edited that
Speed with Wales?
Craig Bellamy comes to mind.
Anyone but O'Leary. He's not the worst manager, but he's not particularly good either, has been out of the game for about six years (apart from that woeful spell at Al Ahly) and could fall out with a bunch of flowers. He's never been popular with fans anywhere either. We want stability and inclusivity in the next regime? Then keep O'Leary away from it.
I'd favour O'Neill (if he was available) as some of his faults (particularly poor transfer dealings) would be void at international level. His strengths lie in motivation and unity, something we could dearly do with. However he's another who, like Trap, often has undroppable favourites. He might not be as bad as Gio, but I'd expect a continuation of some odd calls and maybe the odd blow-up.
Isnt Speed dead?
It goes with the job description that the manager be a hard áss, single minded, stubborn git.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
That depends if it's football, Gah or Pitch and Putt. So not a lot on either.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I think that the new man is picked already, which disappoints me.
I'd like to think that the new manager would have a look at the FAI database of eligible players (or Tets) and decide to either pick the best 11 players and mould a formation to suit them, or pick the best formation and then the most suitable players for each position. Such as a left-back at left-back. A winger on the wing, or a right corner-forward at right-corner forward. Then when you find yourself 60m into the wind, a sharp punch into the back of the green sets up the birdie chance.
I feel sorry that it has ended the way it has, but in another way I don't feel sorry for Trap one bit. Pilkington was poor last night, and to put him in with the last night and starting yesterday is a slap in the face to Brady. It looked like Pilkington wasn't comfortable with the (limited) movement of his teammates, something that comes with time and familiarity.
Wilson was atrocious again, and he's a good player generally but he's been dodgy at best. Left-back is a problem position for us, as was right back before Coleman was trusted.
Something that is really sticking in my craw now though, is the punditry. It's clichéd, ridiculous, camp-ish, and horribly narrow-minded.
People say we don't have the players, or we're limited. I call bull-sh1t.
Just because club managers in England (the same ones ridiculed on a daily basis, by the same pundits/analysts) decide that our players are at a level, doesn't mean that is the case.
Fahey, McGeady, Brady, Hoolihan, Coleman are technically sound players. Gibson has proved doubters wrong (I was dubious to say the least) since moving to Everton. McCarthy is a young player, but far from a child, and is taking time to adjust to responsibility, but often he is trying to do the job of two, or worse, of three.
Maybe some of our fans don't know what players we have coming through the ranks. We have talented players in the underage teams. They are yet to break through to the senior sides in their clubs in nearly every case, but at this stage, what does it matter?
Personally speaking Euro 2012 means nothing to me, as my Dad died a few days beforehand, so I don't have any drunken nostalgia over hearing the anthem at the finals before a good sing-song and a walloping. Was I proud we qualified? Hell yes. But there is a fine line between brilliance and pure luck, and the luck that we missed out on in WC2010 qualifying was repaid in Bucketloads during EC2012. We were extremely poor against Russia home and away, we were shockingly bad at home to Slovakia and Armenia. We got the only team we could definitely beat in the play-offs before being comfortably the weakest side in the competition. It's not that we were beaten out the gate by teams definitively better than us, it's that the brain's trust didnt' attempt to put in a formation that would have us counteract what we were going to face. Russia showed what a three man centre mid would do to us, yet no different formation were forthcoming.
I said it here, but I would not have renewed after the Euro playoff. To then give an extended contract was head-wrecking. He should have been removed after the German game, which would have allowed us 18 months to at worst prepare for the Euro 2016 campaign, if qualifying could have been salvaged. Sweden were ****-poor, Austria worse, yet both times this last week we looked miles behind tactically. It wasn't Ibrahimovic who wrecked us against Sweden, it was Ekdal. He controlled play moving the ball left/right, diagonal etc.
Tl; dr: No to O'Neill. Give a Communist a few quid and airmiles to Britain.
Jesuss Kingdom, when the hand cuffs are loosened, you can fairly let loose on the keyboard :)
'Pilks' did alright, I was well pleased with his attitude, he's one of us now, if he's fit he's ahead of McClean, Walters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
He wasn't fully fit and that was virtually his first international cap. He's man enough for that beard, not everybody is, it's not just a matter of growing a beard. The problem wasn't that 'Pilks' was picked but (with hindsight) that Walters was picked ahead of Brady. We should only need one workhorse at wide midfield.
I don't think he did alright at all. I'm not saying he's a bad player - he's quite obviously good - but the wisdom in playing him last night was flawed in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Attitude doesn't come into it for me. Attitude is a pre-requisite, expected.
The funny thing is I think we'd have been better if Walters was the totum with Long and Keane off him and with perhaps Hoolahan ahead of Green and McCarthy.
No matter who comes in, before long they will be ridiculed, lambasted, hammered and undermined - our meeja have taken their cues well from the motherland.
Last night Bill dragged it to a new low when sneering about Paul Green.
Love to see someone like Alan Curbishley have a chance, what he did at Charlton is too often forgotten and he was unfairly treated at West Ham. Other than that it's the usual carousel of has beens, losers and media favourites. Phil Brown could be in the mix now that Southend are in trouble.
Yeah Curbishley is a good shout. Not looking for a hipster appointment, but we always, always seem to be linked to a recycled, unsuccessful, staunchly British manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Would it be that hard for Delaney to go through the records of the big - to- medium European leagues over the past 5 years and look at managers that achieved success either in the form of trophies, or in the form of changing the fortunes of unheralded clubs with small budgets., and why or how did they do it.
Like say what Ralk Ragnik achieved at Hoffenheim, or Gross at Basel, rather than say what was achieved at Anzhi through a shedload of cash.
I'd like to think that's the level of detail that would go into a decision that could yield 8m being spunked away over 5 years or so.
For sure. Just saying anyone complaining about Trap's relationships with players would have cause to keep that moan going if O'Neill took over.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Some player and former player reaction to Trap's departure (as reported on BBC).
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Originally Posted by Steven Reid (via Twitter)
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Originally Posted by Shane Long (via Twitter)
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Originally Posted by Darren O'Dea (via Twitter)
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Originally Posted by Ian Harte (via Twitter)
McCarthy really letting rip on their perceived rocky relationship...Quote:
Originally Posted by James McCarthy (at Everton presser)
Edit: Updated to include Harte. There's a definite pattern emerging...
Glen Hoddle anyone?
Good tactical awareness
Teams play good football
Gives youth a chance
My wishlist
Marcelo Bielsa
former Argentina, Chile and Athletico Bilbao manager.
Morten Wieghorst
assistant manager at Swansea
Arie Haan
China, Cameroon, Albania and a host of clubs - currently managing in China PL (a bit of a nutcase - but he has a good football brain and it would be a lot of fun).
Forget about René Meulensteen he's being paid a fortune to manage Anzhi
As for those listed - O'Neill, McDermott, Hughton (won't leave the PL), McCarthy and Keane - it would be more of the same (with the possible exception of McDermott)
At least Paul Jewell hasn't been mentioned yet...
terry venables is bound to be in with a shot at it..
What's Alex Ferguson up to these days?
dunphy and bill were pure shocking last night. continually ignoring facts like...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
dunphy: "coleman should have been taken to the euros as he was outstanding for everton that season"
no he wasnt. his form was dreadful for everton and he regularly failed to make the team.
bill: "we could coax stephen ireland back under a new manager"
no we cant. he doesnt want to play for us full stop. in anycase his form is dreadful.
and so on and on and on...
Steve Coppell maybe. I'd have my doubts but worth debating.
Walked out on Man City after 6 games because of the pressure. And that's when City were nothing! Wouldn't exactly like to see him leading the team out in a vital qualifier, though I like him as a man he did well at Reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Just checked Wiki actually....
"but, on 11 August 2010 after only four months in charge, Coppell resigned as Bristol City manager, saying that he would retire from football management altogether citing a lack of passion for the job"
Not the kind of character we need.
He likes guinness, doesn't he?
Denis O'Brien is to continue providing financial backing for Trap's replacement, at least in the short term: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...irish-manager/
I know what you mean - I sensed (hoped!) their may have been some embarrassment in the studio when Green was then interviewed and gave an honest and direct interview afterwards. I'm not a Green fan but the manner of the punditry was immature at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika