He tweeted that he was supporting England during Euro 2012 so I don't see why this is such a big deal.
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He tweeted that he was supporting England during Euro 2012 so I don't see why this is such a big deal.
You got a link to the tweet? Did he say he was supporting England only? Is it beyond the realms of possibility that he was supporting us too?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
If he tweeted that, it would have been in this thread, Liamo would have been going ape, heading in Doolin's direction with an axe in his back pocket.
He's mentioned England a few times on twitter: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtim...ish1%20England
very little there that makes me think he's going to play for them
serious case of denial here.depending on what yer denial is I suppose.
Our best centre back. no suggestion indirectly about playing for England. Comical ally
It's buried in this thread somewhere but it went something like 'play for Ireland, support England #opinions.'Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I'll have a look for it.
EDIT: I can't find the Tweet (only goes back as far as last year) but I paraphrased at the time as follows:
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Jack tweeted recently that he wants Ireland to do well in the under 17 Euro's but that he wants England to win the senior one.
Was this the "offending" tweet?
There was also this one a few months earlier:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Grealish
I can't see any tweet resembling the one you quote, Olé Olé. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but I've searched for all tweets by him containing both "England" and "Ireland".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Grealish
I'm not comprehending you, Paul. Who's in denial and who is the centre back you're referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
You sure you're not confusing it with this one?:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
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Originally Posted by Jack Grealish
No, I'm certain. I posted about it on 03/04/2012 which predates that tweet. It went something like he hoped Ireland would win the under-17s (for whom he was playing) but wanted England to win at senior.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
EDIT: Not sure how you're searching the tweets but the tweet to which I'm refering had '#opinions' at the end of it, if that helps.
I have no idea what this post means. Any of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Just looking back and this 2012 from the prophetic Charlie has amused me greatly in hindsight:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
I see the post you're referring to Olé Olé, but can't find any exact quote of the tweet(s) other than your paraphrasing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It's possible he deleted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
I hadn't known how to search for tweets by particular people containing specific terms on Twitter before, but I just did it the same way Tets did it with "England". I put "from:JackGrealish1 Ireland" in the Twitter search bar, then selected "All" and Twitter produced a list of all Grealish's tweets containing the word "Ireland". I had a look, but can't find anything relevant containing "opinions" either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Must have seen the light, thank God! Emergency averted, for another week or so... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
He's entitled to feel English and indeed declare fully for England in due course should he wish.
Just a boy, leave him to it.
There is no record on the internet of it existing, nobody quoting it or retweeting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Jack must know some people.
Aye, but think about the permutations; if Grealish declares for England, then TOWK will have been right all along... That's just something that can't be let happen on this forum! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Grafter
I found it quoted by farfar on YBIG.
Jack must have since deleted it; the URL as existed then no longer links to a specific tweet. You quoted it in the Michael Keane thread, Olé Olé. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Grealish
However, Jack also tweeted this, as you pointed out:
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Originally Posted by Jack Grealish
Can't copy it for some reason.
I still think John Terry has to go to the world cup with England. still one of our best centre backs.
I believe there is no question of who he will play with if the has a choice and a guarantee.
I also don't believe that you can equally support both teams the same and/or use the we term for both.
Di why did he not say "our year" instead of irelands. In the same context about Terry. its completely obvious where he feels he belongs.ive always felt that.
Lads didn't want mention it but he has removed every picture of himself in an Irish shirt from his twitter account. I noticed it last week. Coincidence ?
This'd be the one:Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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Originally Posted by Jack Grealish
The FA have been in touch though, so it seems he does have that choice. He has not indicated that it's an option he'll go with though. He even dispels the fears of one lad tweeting to him by clarifying that the interview he gave earlier in the year is "not saying [he's] gonna play 4 them". Note his use of "them" when referring to England in this context.Quote:
I believe there is no question of who he will play with if the has a choice and a guarantee.
At worst, the situation is currently ambiguous. In view of his demonstrated and continuing commitment to us, however, I don't know how you can say there's "no question" he'll jump ship if given the opportunity. If he does switch, fair enough - that's his decision - but I don't see any need to be paranoid about it. I'd like it if he stuck with us, and maybe I'm giving him the benefit of any doubt as a result, but I don't see why that should necessarily amount to denial either.
You're not a dual national though. He has a dual identity; it can be a complex matter. Maybe he believes differently to you and can happily reconcile the use of "we" with both ourselves and England. I don't know; I'm not Jack Grealish, nor am I a dual national.Quote:
I also don't believe that you can equally support both teams the same and/or use the we term for both.
No, he hasn't. There are plenty of self-tweeted photos of him in action for us from March and last November, around when he represented our under-21s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunners
Believe it or not, he even refers to us as "us" in one of the tweets!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Grealish
I play ball with a guy who was born in Ireland to an Irish dad and English mum. His family moved to England when he was 2. He wears an Irish jersey to training. He says he's 51% Irish, 49% English and he shouts for Ireland and England and hopes that Ireland wins when playing against England only because his bro, born in England, shouts for the English team.
Long story short, it's not cut and dried.
He's actually brilliant and I reckon he'd declare if the FAI made an approach. he's like a less lazy Berbatov. I'll ask him to send an email to FAI headquarters.
Is he playing professionally? Where's he based at the minute? Canada? Does Robbie's heir have a name?
No. He's currently play in the Regina Mens Division 4. He's 28. Prospect. I'll send an email about him tomorrow.
But if he had a poster of a Chelsea player on his wall when he was growing up, then tell him not to bother, we don't like that sort of chap.
His blood has been tampered with beyond repair:rolleyes:
there's this one too from March, just before heading off to play for the U21s - https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/st...26074863075328
Ah, in fairness, he normally seems to put out a tweet about joining up for Ireland squads and games etc. I think people are just pointing to the fact he does support England and, given his level of ability and likely career trajectory, the natural step would be to play for their senior national side. I'm not saying he supports/prefers (tricky one) England over Ireland or anything like that, just as people are stating it's not very clear cut.
Anyways, it's pretty inconceivable he'd ever play for England now. He's played from under-15's to under-21's with us. If he was so intent on representing England, he'd have done so a long time ago because I'm sure he's inundated with conversation on the topic from English Villa under-age players and coaches.
It's like James McCarthy, as has been stated many times. Until we see him in a competitive international game for Ireland we don't feel guaranteed of his commitment, even though he has been well committed with a few years now. Furthermore, his responses in interviews have sometimes been ambiguous and we've drawn conclusions from same- rightly or wrongly. It's not a completely irrational paranoia.
Hasn't Jack said that he is playing for Ireland U-21 because they are playing at a higher level than England U-19 or something to that effect?
Not quite, as you well know. We had detailed discussion from page 15 of this thread onward about the quotes to which you're alluding. I'm surprised you can't remember. Here are his comments again, just to relieve your mysterious (feigned?) memory loss: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc....woTKV9QT.dpufQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Even if England had offered him a place in their under-21 squad, there's no indication he would have accepted it. The FA merely approached himself and his father before being turned away. Grealish said the following in a later tweet:Quote:
Originally Posted by John Fallon
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Originally Posted by Jack Grealish
That article is very much present tense and the last tweet.
The lad is yyoung a bit of patriotism around now and a good run and I'd like to see how less "clear" he would be.....
The simple fact is that none of us knows, neither those of us in the "he's entitled to do what he wants but right now it looks like he's playing for Ireland" camp or those who'd prefer there was something more sinister stirring because all ambiguity is by definition negative at best, treacherous at worst.
Speaking of ambiguity, wtf is Paul saying?
It's tough to decipher Paul O'Shea at the best of times, but I believe what he's saying right now (no comment on the comical ally gibberish he came out with earlier) is that Jack is clearly a dual-national with loyalties to his countries of birth and ancestry, and the worry is that a good World Cup for England a dose of patriotism might convince him to want to emulate those players in representing England at a World Cup.
Ah, ok, I think I get it now.
I think my little fella wants to follow England in the WC because Ireland aren't playing. I told him it's ok.
I am pretty positive Jack said that England wanted to call him up to their U-19 team but he was happy playing with the Ireland U-21 because it was a higher level of football. If he makes a point of saying something like that, then there must be something in it.
Any way. If there was nothing to worry about, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I think he wants to play for Brazil, going on his latest tweet: https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/st...93558795751426
That's kind of the thing though, isn't it? I assume your lads feel very Irish, but growing up in England with English friends, they probably feel part of that too. I think sometimes people expect all English-born Irishmen to be like Kilbane or somebody and have eyes only ever for Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
That's exactly what I expect him to be like!
Aye, but you don't know how he'll turn out in the end :p
I quoted exactly what he said and what he said after above. Make of it what you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks