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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
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Caption: "What do you mean, I'd be better off at Stoke?"
Trap is asking, what are you doing over here? - the ball is over there!
Dunne & Keane both fit according to Tardelli.
Coleman and Gibson both trained today after recovering from minor injuries.
Duff and St. Leger sat out training but are expected to be fit.
All of above from Sky Sports News.
if as in strange you mean different as in uncommon its not strange at all just yer typical killybegs kilcar south west donegal accent.its almost like a mellow more monotone donegal accent without the high pitch wavy animated accent one generally associates with donegal. i find a lot that are out of south donegal for a while have that more subtle accent more than the ever present natives.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
just on that, a Donegal lad I work with had to do a voiceover for an instructional video recently. It was uploaded to youtube, and when we checked it out, he'd been replaced with some dope from the States.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Coincidentally, or perhaps not, he gave his notice last week.
Regarding James McCarthy. The concensus now seems to be that James will play the last 30, 20 or 15 minutes of the game. I'm already typing up my letter of resignation for Trap if we don't win. Not playing McCarthy from the off is playing with fire. The reason we're in the chasing pack instead of out in front in Group 2 is because we can't hold the ball in midfield. Then, when given a player who is one of the most consistent midfielders in the Premier League, and one who can hold and distribute the ball, we pass up the chance at playing him?? He is quite a bit better than both Whelan and Gibson (it should be a Gibson/McCarthy partnership in the middle). Another needless gamble by Trap if in fact he does keep MCarthy out of the starting eleven.
Well then obviously most Donegal accents I'm exposed to are of the hyper high pitched wavy variety.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Probably the closer to Roscommon one is, the more mellow the heart becomes.
I'm not sure I've ever heard an accent commented upon with such authority. PO'S - dialectologist.
accent and dialect Stutts?are they the same thing
no Stutts you left your roots in Dublin. i still very much associate with mine. :p
Stutts is a dual rooted Irishman.
It's interesting that all (Er....European descent) Aussies sound alike, regardless of where they are from. Because their relatives came from different parts of England or where ever. A bartender explained why in detail to me recently. I would have thought by now there would be a difference but an Aussie told me she can't ever tell where anyone is from.
Now I'll put a helmet on and get ready for incoming corrections.
My Mrs is due soon. If she tries any of this delaying tactics nonsense like Mrs Walters I'll be elbow deep reefing the sprog out myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I think Geysir, Paul and a few others need to get a thread for themselves just like the Nordie eligibility/poaching threads.
Seriously lads, its getting awful tiring.
So, back on topic, it looks like Westwood, Foley, Dunne, St. Ledger, Whelan, Duff, Keane and Doyle are nailed on to start. The variables are Kilbane/Clark for left-back, McGeady/Lawrence/Coleman for the right-hand side, and Gibson/Fahey/Green fighting to partner Whelan. The selection of Kilbane, Green and Lawrence will have the Trap critics sharpening their knives again, and in KK and PG's case, for good reason.
We know McCarthy won't start, unfortunately, but hopefully we'll be in a comfortable enough position to throw him on for the last half-hour. We'll have Uruguay, NI and Scotland to bed him into the midfield then, if he does well.
Spending my afternoon in work watching Youtube videos of Macedonia, and from what little I've seen, they don't look too clever when players run at them (McFadden for Scotland is a prime example). If McGeady starts alongside Duff, they could cause havoc. If Gibson starts too, there's an extra goal threat. If Macedonia play 4-4-2 as Tardelli suggested, we should be able to get more of the ball in midfield than usual - so Whelan needs to have one of his better games. With Foley and Clark well able to pass forward from full-back, we (hopefully) won't be hoofing it long that often.
We have a good enough team on paper to win comfortably if everything 'clicks' for us, and Trap makes the best of the borderline selections. However, there's every chance of it being a frustrating dogfight, like Cyprus and Georgia at home in the last campaign.
Back onto the real topic at hand, I think a dialectologicist is also, by definition, an accent specialist. There's a football forum for the other stuff.
Sorry Stu, I'll abstain from now.
Sorry, we will include you more often from now on :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Covering all the bases there. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
We never ever win these games comfortably. It will be the same old same old. We always get our hopes up and say oh well maybe we have turned a corner or perhaps this will be the point in the campaign where we proved we have moved up a level under trap blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
I didnt see tardelli said they play 4-4-2 as all I've seen from the macedonians is they play a 4-3-3....but i gather from the DVDs he has watched he is more aware of this than they might be letting on.
You think mcgeady is not a def start on the left hand side? Is that incase he goes with clark? thats the reason i thought too, but im not so sure now.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...292954456.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Tardelli said; “it doesn’t matter because Macedonia play 4-4-2 so for now, 4-4-2 is good for us”.
I'd imagine we'll start with Duff on the left. If McGeady starts they may interchange, depending on how the game is going. It's happened before. However, Trap might play Lawrence to give some protection to Foley, and for set-pieces.
I think SF is right by saying that on paper and if everything clicks we could win comfortably. We could, but probably won't. Trap has definitely improved the team since Stan, but one corner we have definitely not turned is the careless defensive mistakes and less than clinical finishing. The definitive test of turning a corner (other than results obviously, but it's all related) will be consistently defending better and taking more chances. Slovakia away summed up the last 2 years for me - good enough to win, but let it slip away. Very frustrating. I think this team has it in them to win well on Saturday, but we're out of the habit of winning consistently so it'll be more of a dogfight.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I'd agree about the defensive mistakes and lax finishing; but a lot of those issues are exacerbated by poor ball retention. If we're not creating chances, then our missed ones become much more of an issue. Likewise, if we're conceding possession and inviting teams on to us, eventually the floodgates are going to break at some stage. If Foley and Clark start, that'll be one of our Achilles heels sorted - distribution from defence. Even O'Shea at right-back has a tendency to knock aimless balls up the line, and I'd expect Foley to be more measured. Whether this gets a bit more from our timid central midfielders remains to be seen, but we'll certainly give away less ball (and be less prone to mistakes) than with McShane and Kilbane at full-back.
Just hoping Clark starts.
Well, the Achilles heel being Achill, excluded of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Interestingly Duff seems to have played all his football on the right for Fulham this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
But that doesnt just sum up the last 2 years though, that trait has been evident for many many years (Stan reign excepted where we didnt manage to get in to that stratosphere). 2-2 in Israel immediately springs to mind under Kerr, never mind the whole McCarthy era and last minute goals conceded. Perhaps its just not fair to expect Trap to reverse the physcological deficiencies within the irish gene:shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Most can identify that Russia completely played us off the park in the first half of that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Their domination of the first half was so complete that it provided the cushion for their losing of the plot, the sub plot, the script and some of the cast in the last 15 minutes and still yielded a win for them.
Is it unreasonable to speculate that future oppositions managers would note that Russia had amassed a 3 goal lead and not wonder how they had managed to completely over run us????
Well, Slovakia couldn't speculate enough to do it on their home turf.
Things ain't so straightforward.
Point taken, but I'm more specifically referring to our home games and how the opposition will approach those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The lesson can be learned both ways though. Russia exploited the gaps between our banks of four, but it would've helped if the CM's were a bit smarter, the wing-back's a bit tighter and the whole team wasn't sleeping for the first 45 minutes.
In fairness Lawrence has played very well for us since he joined the setup, unquestionably better than McGeady has in the same space. Couldn't begrudge him a starting place. Green and Kilbane starting would like you said be worrying. Although we don't really have strong alternatives unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
I'd probably say myself he'll go with Kilbane / Gibson / Lawrence.
I know there were some poor individual mistakes but i dont think they were sleeping, i think they were shellshocked, the fact they were so cruelly exposed and caught out over the top, on the wings, through the middle and they just didn't know what to do. What was that George Bush said again? Shock and Awe....Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
They were just rubbish and off form, as well as outnumbered.
Just been thinking about this, would he put a player out for media duty if he wasn't going to pick them? I mean i know the FAI arrange it all and what not but I gather Trap has a decision in who faces the media?
Makes me think that wings will be duff and lawrence, with mcgeady coming on if things aren't working out with lawrence. I think we need to start with mcgeady and finish with lawrence to be honest.
From TV3's Tommy Martin on Twitter after today's training
"Likely #ROI team for Sat based on training today: Westwood, Foley, Dunne, St Ledger, Kilbane, Duff, Whelan, Gibson, McGeady, Doyle, Keane."
"Kelly: Duff had to be dragged off training pitch - really up for it #ROI"
"Alan Kelly: Concern about St Ledge, will assess tomorrow. Westwood monster kickouts will be key tactic on Sat #ROI"
" McCarthy: never any doubt about commitment to Ireland, Martinez delighted he's playing Int. football #ROI"
"#ROI update: Duff trains, St Ledger and Coleman don't. McCarthy about to speak to media"
The summary from all the press tweeters seems to be as follows:
It sounds like O'Dea played alongside Dunne in the training match due to St.Ledger's injury. Kilbane seems to have edged ahead of Clark for left-back slot. If Sledge doesn't make it will O'Dea play or will Clark get a chance at centre-back?
Martinez will give a press conference in Wigan taking credit for guiding James towards his decision to declare for Ireland.
i hope lawrence gets some game time.
Where did the e come from?
Clark just plain old Clark.
Clark's shoes.
Clark Kent.
Clark Gable.
Ciaran Clarke played rugby for Ireland. Old schoolmate.
Found it on the dancefloor, honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
He's changed his tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
Hopefully Gibson can be more effective than Green if he's to start. I would have hoped for Clark to start on the left, or at centre-back if it's looking like St. Ledger mightn't play. O'Dea in the centre over Clark? Can't fathom that. Surely it would makes sense to go with Dunne and Clark considering they're team-mates and everything.
I think its a thing of Trust for Trap, he doesn't know clark well enough and therefore doesn't trust him. He has seen O'Dea he has been around for a long time now, knows what he can what he cant do, and he has traps ideas engrained in his brain at this stage.