You're not completely right Tets, the James McCarthy thread has turned into a discussion about how to pronounce Bonner and a history of Packie's exploits! I do love this site!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
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You're not completely right Tets, the James McCarthy thread has turned into a discussion about how to pronounce Bonner and a history of Packie's exploits! I do love this site!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I think it'll beQuote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
McCarthy on for GibsonCode:Given
Coleman Dunne St Ledger O'Shea
Lawrence Gibson Whelan Duff
Keane Doyle
Fahey to come on for either winger
Long to come on for Keane
I seriously doubt he'd even consider Coleman or McCarthy for the next qualifier. He'll only make changes in a position he feels there's a weakness, and there's only the possibility that he considers left back a weakness right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
He's strongly hinted it will be Clark on as left full. Which means probably O'Shea at RB. With Bale out and the lack of wingers in the squad - possibly he's considering Coleman for RW?
I think he may try McCarthy in the no.10 as he's suggested. Then again, of the 3 we want to see Clark Coleman and McCarhy - we'll probably only see Clark :P
I wouldn't be surprised to see McCarthy start this game, nor would it surprise me if St Ledger was dropped. Coleman's impressive form will hopefully be rewarded with at least the guts of a half and perhaps both Keane and Doyle will make way for Long and Best in the second half. I would like to see how Wilson performs in midfield, but for some reason I think Trap will stick with his seeming favourites.
I wouldn't be suprised to see this:
That way, if he does spring any suprises, then I might actually get excitedCode:Given
Kelly Dunne St Ledger O'Shea
Lawrence Green Whelan Duff
Doyle Keane
about this game.
A million to one shot he starts this
Code:Westwood
Coleman Wilson Clark O'Dea
Gibson McCarthy Fahey
Walters Best Long
That team would be eaten alive. Wilson hasn't played CB in ages, O'Dea is the worst LB option we have and Gibson/Walters/Best are far down the pecking order where they should beCode:Westwood
Coleman Wilson Clark O'Dea
Gibson McCarthy Fahey
Walters Best Long
Duh, I know that. I just made a team out of the 11 players not in the other 11 i named because its the most unlikely thing you'd see Trapattoni do.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
Fair enough, just odd to post it then!
In footballing terms, NI is actually a country, or nation, since it plays international football, but no matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
What I'm more interested in is your answer to the question which you've already dodged three times (post #'s 419, 424, 433), namely whether you consider NI to be the territory of the FAI.
To make it easy for you, I've supplied the only two possible answers for you to confirm/delete as appropriate:
1. Yes
2. No
To answer yer question to geysir, Yes! As defined by the C.A.S. judgement.
;)
But as you keep reminding us, they can always say No!
Boyce just happy to play international football, but eligible for both. Barton/Camp, based on the CAS If they're eligible for you, eligible for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
But would say your need is greater. As your goal-keeping situation is potentially more dire once the German fella steps down.
Inclined to agree! :eek:Quote:
I'm not sure that the Nations Cup meets FIFA's definition of a "competitive" tournament for elibility purposes. And even if it should, I'm uncertain about the ethics or practicality of such a ruse.
Given he, as many of the diaspora, could technically have had a Brit.passport and they then would be eligible for any of the Brit. associations, hmm.Quote:
No idea, but in any case, I've no more interest in Westwood than I have in any other foreign keeper.
Which is a rule that the IFA have ruthlessly (and fairly) exploited by recruiting all those players born outside the Six Counties for their U-21 team and doubtless have to rely even more so on in the future as more players drift Dublin-wards.
How so? Celtic have had hundreds of Protestants (& various others) work for them over many years. Jock Stein & Kenny Dalglish being two notable examples. Not to mention a good no. of the locally-born '67 team.Quote:
I somehow imagine that Celtic would not thank you for ascribing a sectarian element to their recruitment policies*.
* - On the playing side, at least...
Teams picks itself....Code:Squad Watch
Westwood 90 Minutes Conceded 1
Given Unused Substitute
Coleman 90 Minutes RM
Dunne 90 Minutes CB
St Ledger 90 Minutes CB
Clark 90 Minutes LB
O'Shea Unused Substitute
O'Dea Unused Substitute
Kelly Not in Squad
Green 90 Minutes CM
McCarthy 82 Minutes RF Scored 2
Duff 67 Minutes LM
Fahey Substitute
Wilson Unused Substitute
Whelan Unused Substitute
Gibson Not in Squad
Long 90 Minuted ST
Doyle 90 Minutes ST Scored 1(maybe)
Keogh 90 Minutes Scored 1
Keane -- Minutes
Walters Sub 24 Minutes
Stokes Substitute
St. Ledger played today as Preston were hammered 4-0 by Bristol City. (Keogh on the scoresheet for Bristol.) Brown Phil will need more than an on-pitch sit-down to save them from relegation. A worryingly poor season for Sean.
There's no way O'Shea starts at LB under Trap. Not in a million years.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Balls! The CAS determined that NI-born players (and by extension, the sons of NI-born parents) are eligible for the FAI. It did not address the question of territoriality.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Who said anything different?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
With an NI-born parent, Barton is eligible for both NI and ROI. There is absolutely no indication whatever that he is interested in playing for the ROI. On the contrary, he very likely is not. Therefore if he doesn't ever come under consideration for England, then he may revert to NI. If we want him, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
As for Camp, no-one on this thread has produced any evidence from FIFA's Articles as to why he should be eligible for ROI; on the contrary, any rational reading of the relevant Articles (15 and 17) make it clear that he is not. On top of which, whilst he has expressed clear enthusiasm for playing for NI, he has never even mentioned ROI.
Oh, and btw, your reference to "the German fella" is not so clever as you think. Big Maik may have been born in Germany, but that is only because his Da was stationed there with the British Army. And since Maik later joined the Army himself, he can justly claim to be as British as they come.
Double balls!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
First, Westwood already is British, since he was born in the UK. And if he ever travelled abroad before seeking (dual) Irish nationality, then he must already have acquired a British Passport.
Second, under an agreement between the four British Associations, which has been lodged with FIFA, English-born players may not represent NI, Scotland or Wales unless they have a parent or grandparent from one of those places.
With the exception of Big Maik (and maybe Channel Islander Trevor Wood?), every single NI player at every level for the last 20 years (at least) has had a parent or grandparent who was born in NI. And the anomaly whereby we could select Maik (and Wood) has long since been closed, with the IFA's willing agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
You were the one who introduced religion into the thread, by bleating on about Celtic recruiting "Northern-born Catholics" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
As it happened, there is plenty I could say about sectarianism in the green half of the Auld Firm, but I won't clog up this thread further with it.
However if you are interested in educating yourself further, you might want to read Tommy Gemmell's Autobiography, "Lion Heart", for a few pointers on the topic.
can we please leave this thread to discussion of the tournament? Im getting sick of these arguments surfacing in every second thread.
Cue EG and AB telling Stu that he doesn't have to read the thread...
We should have a thread specifically for not discussing eligibility issues and let everything else be fair game.
Let's get a thread going on how O'Shea can't play left back.
Best and Lawrence both withdrawn from the squad and replaced by Keogh. Stokes still on standby and no word on McCarthy.
There's already a monster thread on it, the posts should really be put into it. I gave up on going round in circles on it long ago....Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
http://foot.ie/threads/132063-Player...ht=Eligibility
Long and Doyle both got pretty well battered in their matches today and yesterday, not sure of their statuses.
Ha ha. The rest was all the round spherical objects you kept referring to!Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
See the Eligibility thread for a reality check!
Though you totally misrepresent what I say about Celtic and their players. Thanks.
You might actually read what other people say??
Will leave people to draw their own conclusions.
With 'friends' like that, Messrs. Lennon, McCourt & McGinn must be so 'proud' of their fans (as in some of those of the country they're supposed to represent) being so 'open-minded', not.
It's a repetitive bore for some poor mod to manage, but I completely agree. The ignore function tidies things up nicely enough though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
But then you don't know what you're missing??
And you might actually learn something....
;)
I read the thread Drumcondra quoted back to front. That's all (in fact, more than!) anyone needs to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Lads......seriously.......does anyone care? Most Irish people are not even aware of this tournament...!!
This has been a marketing disaster for the FAI
There will be no one at any of these games except gurriers looking for a ruck with the Nordies!
See Italksport Friday night on Setanta....said it all about the level of intertest in Irish Football in 2011......:(
It would be nice if we could win this trophy. Must be the first one we have ever entered as favourites. Off the top of my head, I don't think we have ever won anything as a senior international team, other than some tournament in Iceland in the 1980s I think, but I may be wrong. We are never going to win the World Cup or European Cup so hopefully we'll do well in this. Feck the begrudgers.
I hope we win this too. I hope we win every game we play.
I don't agree that we'll never win the World Cup or European Championships. Whoever thought that Greece would win something?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
We can always live in hope. That's what football fans of the non big countries and clubs do but Greece has a much stronger home league than us, much bigger population etc etc - we don't compare. I suppose one should never say never so let's stick to most unlikely. ANyway, let's qualify for the tournaments first of all.
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Yes - The tournament we won was a triangular tournament in 1986 which included Iceland, Ireland and Former Czechoslovakia.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Given; O'Shea, Dunne, St. Ledger, Clark; Coleman, Whelan, Gibson or Green, Duff; Doyle, Walters.
I guess this means Gibson is the first choice but there's a question mark on his fitness?
is this the team? no long? WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I'd rather have Green over Gibson.
Long over Walters as well if true.
He took a heavy knock a couple of weeks ago and didn't look comfortable against QPR on Friday so it's probably best to go with a fully-fit Walters. Shame, he would have been well-rested having played on Friday rather than Saturday or Sunday.
how stokes isnt in the squad is crazy, id have played him if long wasnt fully fit. dont really rate walters.
Green apart, I'm happy with that side
Long and Doyle played together at Reading, so trying Walters and Doyle will be something new.
Interesting team, plenty of scope for the new guys to play their way into contention.
The guy who was dropped by Celtic - that chap?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie