They took Keane back from Liverpool so they might do!
But they are planning a massive new stadium so they'll be tightening the buckles too.
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They took Keane back from Liverpool so they might do!
But they are planning a massive new stadium so they'll be tightening the buckles too.
:confused: On the basis of one signing?Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
David BeckhamQuote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Ruud van nistleroy
Cristiano Ronaldo
Gabriel Heinze
some big names & star players at utd before moving to madrid :ball:
Tbf in all cases except C.Ronaldo Man United were willing sellersQuote:
Originally Posted by old git
but equally well you could argue that all except Heinze went on to have very good spells at Real. Van Nistleroy's admittedly blighted by injuries, though his goal scoring record was pretty good at Real from what I recall. I would argue that none of those players were past it when they were sold (again Heinze maybe a bit iffy) and there weren't direct immediate better replacements for any (again Heinze being the exception). Most of those departures were like Jaap Stam's situation - falling out with the manager.
Big team rise and fall, they go through good years (or couple of years) and then bad years. Juventus are in the doldrums now, so are Boca, Real were not much cop in the mid 1990s (Atletico did better in the league), Barca were slippy in the early 2000s, Bayern Munich went off the boil pretty much after winning the Champions League. The big question is will United slip away into that "not quite contenders" bracket like Dortmund in Germany, Marseille in France, Lazio and Roma in Italy - all these teams were the strongest in the countries for a time (won the league in the last decade or so) but all have slipped into the ether. With Man Utd it's hard to say much will depend on the other English teams around them like City, Chelsea (both rich in terms of ownership) and perhaps Arsenal (very fiscally tight).
Hard to imagine United drifting that far off the pace, even in the Seventies and Eighties they were qualifying for European semi-finals and reputation alone should ensure the top names will always consider joining. It's worrying about the drift to Real, but they've hardly reaped the rewards and only van Nistlerooy wasn't properly replaced (Valencia doing OK and Rooney making up the goals).
I'd take Carrick back in a heartbeat, top class player. Berbatov burnt his bridges with Spurs with his actions before the move, you can keep the sulky buggerQuote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
And resign Tevez;) What a mistake that was letting him go.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
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Originally Posted by Rafa B
Carlos Tevez did the right thing for Carlos Tevez and that was to go somewhere where he would be the main man which he is now at City.
Utd didn't have the money to buy him simple as that.
At least it was for genuine reasons as opposed Benitez who sold Bellamy and Crouch and Murphy and Keane.
The good thing about it is that with any bit of luck they will come back bite him on the bum.
[QUOTE=gaiscíoch;1306817]Carlos Tevez did the right thing for Carlos Tevez and that was to go somewhere where he would be the main man which he is now at City.
Utd didn't have the money to buy him simple as that.
But had £30 million to spend on Benzema:confused:
They did indeed but thats because they sold Ronaldo. They could spend it, but then again they have massive debts that need to be paid and i assume thats where that money went, can't see any spending going tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by rambler14
Real were prepared to pay £30million- United were not- hence he is now a Real Madrid player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
Couple that with the fact that Real were paying the money up front compared to United wanting to structure the deal based on team success and his own personal achievements..
Likewise can be said of Tevez his owners wanted the money in a block payment which was the reason Ferguson was stuttering in terms of payment.
He said he would pay £20million in a block payment. Tevez owners said no chance hence he is now at stinking rich Manchester City.
so you are saying ronaldo has been properly replaced :confused::confused: he had a tendecy to go down easily and would not work to hard for team but c'mon utd are missing him & his goals this season .Quote:
Originally Posted by culloty82
For whatever reasons, only Ronaldo wasn't the managers choice, and even then it was on Uniteds terms (i.e. he stayed an extra season than he wanted). In fact Madrid was more Fergie's choice than Heinzes, if you remember he was trying to move to Liverpool.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
It's easy to retrospectively look at Tevez being United couldn't afford it, but I still don't think he was worth the money his owners wanted. There was probably a deal to be done, but it's to the Tevez camp people should point their ire. And from what I've seen, it isn't up front that the issue really is.
Did Ferguson not say thaey had all the Ronaldo cash to spend if they wanted?Quote:
Originally Posted by gaiscíoch
The Glazers can legitimately take around £127m out of Manchester United next year if profits remain stable.
The Guardian have taken a week to read the small print in the 322-page bond prospectus and report that the Americans have the right to take millions out of the club.
The newspaper reports that the 'principal purpose' of the bond issue is to raise funds for the Glazers to pay off the 'payments in kind' loans that are secured against their shares in the club. This £200m debt exists in addition to the £500m owed by the club.
The prospectus details how the Glazers can take £70m from the club's cash reserves, pay themselves a £25m dividend and take half of the club's cash profits (a figure that stood at £23m last year). They can also take out a further £9m in administration fees and payments to directors.
That adds up to around £127m on top of the £45m already being directed towards paying off the £500m the club will have borrowed via the bond.
Liverpool won the European Cup with Traore, Kewell, Smicer, Cisse and Baros so who knows!!Quote:
Originally Posted by culloty82
Neville could be up on a charge:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...oberto-mancini
Looks like Jaap was right.
elaborate please?Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
Did you read his book, point number 8 here:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/s...315698,00.html
lads the f.a are losin it.. tevez scores from dodgy penalty award to equalize for city he then procedes to taunt poor old gary neville who responds by only showing him the score using hand signals !!! should tevez not be charged for running to celebrate his 2nd goal in front of utd bench :D must admit though it was enjoyable to watchQuote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
i assume that was at rooney for trying to put him off? (was saying somthing to him as he began his run up)Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
teves was verry good thou you could see he was out to make a point. taught de jong was very good will be intresting if viera can disloge him.
Tevez plays like he's out to prove a point in every game if you ask me. Obviously the goals meant more to him last night though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
Immense player Tevez really is. His attitude, work-rate the fella is immense and add to that he knows were the net is.
What can the FA do realistically? He hardly walked over to Neville and taunted him. Ok everyone knows what he was doing but hard to prove. Anyway Neville deserved it if you ask me. He should have kept his mouth shut in the first place. Tevez could ask him does he think the money he earns at Utd has been justified of late. Horrible little man but a great player in his day but that day is long gone imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
Maybe its just the time of the month for one of the 'ugly sisters'!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
Yeah he's day is pretty much gone, the fact that he's about 5th/6th choice right back with everybody available would certainly indicate that. The whole thing is a non-issue really. It should make for a great 2nd Leg, City have been pretty ordinary on their travels this season but played reasonably well at OT in September. Was surprised with the strength of United's team last night, Ferguson didn't keep his promise after the Q/F win. He might have felt that City winning a trophy this early in their new era could be the catalyst for greater things, easing the pressure on their players significantly. Either that or he sees it as their best chance of a trophy this season!:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
I don't understand what your syaing about Neville keeping his mouth shut when Tevez couldn't keep his shut for the last year in relation to Man Utd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
He was in the press consistently over the last year about Ferguson and United.
If I was Neville I would have done the exact same thing.
If you watch the replay of his celebrations he was gesturing to the United fans behind the goal.
Which surely means he should be in trouble for inciting the United fans and then after his second running to the United bench.
If your looking for a horrible little man look no further than the gloriously behaved Craig Bellamy.
With his razor sharp elbows
fantastic ability to lift his feet off the ground in a tackle-
Incredible balance
Fantastic command of the English language.
To top it all off he is a professional golfer.
Some of the tackles he put in on Valencia last night and got away with were incredible.
Ferguson and Utd exactly not Neville. Nothing to do with Neville. Anyway i seem to remember Utd fans backing him and lets be frank who could blame him fighting his corner last May sitting on the bench while Berbatov was playing all the time. Think about it now seriously Tevez is everything that's good about a proper pro on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaiscíoch
He was gesturing to his right running back the Utd fans were to the left hand side in the corner. He was not gesturing to them i can assure you.
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Originally Posted by DeLorean
I would imagine they have better chances of winning trophies other than the Carling Cup this season. I think once it was City he was always going to play a strong side throw in the Leeds defeat and it was definite but i feel he would have done it regardless of the Leeds result. Imo Utd will turn them over in the second leg.
Well I would have thought with the way they are playing that the Carling Cup would be their best bet. Hard to see them winning the Champions League on current form and Chelsea are in pole position in the League, also Arsenal will probably jump into 2nd tonight. You're probably right that the strong team was because it was City, probably out of repect to the United fans more than anything else. Hard to call the 2nd Leg but if United have Vidic and/or Ferdinand back I would make them favorites alright. The reactions of Tevez and Neville are nothing topics as far as I'm concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
The very reason he was sitting on the bench was that he opened his mouth in January and kept at it till the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
He is the Manchester United club captain, has been since the Roy Keane era, if that doesn't give you a right to speak about certain things then what does?
Anyhow he said Tevez is a good player?
No-one is saying he is not a good player. Of course United should have kept him but United are flat broke.
Ok Carlos I take your word for it....
If I were Tevez I would have been insulted by comments like that from a player that was very average for the majority of his career
Neville on the other hand was just trying to score more brownie points with the Old Trafford faithful, most of whom would admit that United should have forked out 25m for Tevez. One can but assume that United simply don't have that kind of money these days when wondering why they didn't, especially after losing Ronaldo and replacing him with Valencia
From United's latest released financial information. Quite technical but gives an idea of the eye watering sums they are paying on their debt.
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6600/rfjv09.jpg
And he still wasn't worth the feckin money regardless! His United career gets better the longer it goes on since he played for them...
[QUOTE=jebus;1309665]If I were Tevez I would have been insulted by comments like that from a player that was very average for the majority of his career
neville not the most likeable player but would have to disagree about him being average for majority of his career was utd & england regular right back for numerous years and in his day was a top player . oh and if tevez happens to win as much trophies as neville during the rest of his career then he can feel insulted at players coments :ball:
World Club Cup with both a Latin American (Boca 2003) and European Team (Man Utd last year) - that's a pretty rare achievment, I'm trying to think of another player who has done it and cant. Won the Libertadores and Sudamericana Cups with Boca (like winning the CL and UEFA Cup) in 2003 as well as the 2003-4 Apertura (Argentine domestic league). Captained Corinthians of Sao Paolo to the Brazilian league championship in 2005 and voted the best player in Brazil - the last time a non-Brazilian got that award was getting on for 30 years ago - although you could argue Petkovic was unlucky not to win it in the late 90s early 2000s.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
At Man Utd, two premier leagues, one CL, one league cup. At international level runner up in the Copa America and gold medal at the 2004 Olympics...
Gary Neville's only played and won things at one club, he's never tested himself in another country / continent.
It's a bit relative to talk about the value of money, is any sportsman worth that sort of money? But in the context of Berbatov's £30m odd million in 2008 and with Ibrahimovic costing over double Tevez (EUR 66m) this summer, I think Tevez's price was pretty much the market rate, perhaps even slightly better value. Additionally he had already played well and settled into the team (certainly pre-Berbatov) so there wasnt such a big risk in signing him (he was already an established player at Old Trafford).Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
For whatever reason Ferguson seemed to stick with Berbatov, once Tevez was not assured of a fair crack at the first team his departure, in a world cup season, was highly likely.
tevez never wanted to stay, he had the choice to tell his owner to **** off, and sign for utd for free, but he chose to stay with this person for some unknown reason and that person got 50mill just cause tevez is hes friend,
plus i dont think tevez is worth 50mill, utd had already given his owner 20mill, and he wanted another 30, for someone acting illegally he got a lot of money,
the facts are that the shieks have more money than the americans, always have and always will, and itll show over the next few years,
i personally think utd are fairly well equipped for this crisis, more so than any other club, but the question is whats the glazers end game, do they plan on selling the club, or just milk it till its dry, and leave the mess for someone else to clean up,
Laughable comment really if you go your accused of no loyalty and if you stay your accused of not testing yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo