Unemployment

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Talking about cutbacks etc - esp in the health service - did anyone notice in this sunday's Indo that they are spending 20 million on a few jeeps for the Irish army - which might rise in the future

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I was involved in a tender with the Army in 08 and the tender I was quoting for is related somwhat to these vehicles. We quoted say 10K for a particular product. This was being made at our UK factory, and was to a high spec as we do something similar for the British MOD. We lost the tender by about a grand and it went to an Irish company (no real problem with that, keep it in the family) I now learn the winner quoted for a much more basic piece of kit and is being asked to upgrade his offering. He isn't prepared to do that at his cost so the Army are buying the parts to upgrade and issuing to him free to retro fit. This will therefore make his product about a grand more than ours!

In relation to the jeeps, If I told you the winning company's product was found not to be fit for purpose, what would you say??

Irish Public verses Private sector in a nutshell

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Originally Posted by me

That register could easily hit 25k next month, if keeping with previous monthly totals, plus the January cuts

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Damage 9.2% now.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0204/employment.html

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Originally Posted by mypost

Damage 9.2% now.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0204/employment.html

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Makes Dorans comments (the Nurses Union man) look beyond ridiculous, I think he said something like - not that many people in the private sector have lost jobs:confused:

Almost 50,000 signed on since December. Ireland Inc. is closed.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Almost 50,000 signed on since December. Ireland Inc. is closed.

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No extra taxes or levys for them just subsistence level dole.

And that's to mean what exactly? :confused:

I'd like to see them public sector workers trying to survive on €200 a week, every week. When it's a choice of a levy or le dole, you don't take too long to make your decision.

During the winter break, Cowen and members of the Cabinet went off on another trek to Japan. But there's little point in flying halfway around the world to drum up investment, when there's nothing at home to invest in. All it succeeded in doing was wasting time.

No wonder Nob Nation on 2FM dub his cabinet, "The Drinks Cabinet". :D:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mypost

And that's to mean what exactly? :confused:

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The 300+k people unemployed would probably love to be worrying about extra cost of paying for their pension.

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Originally Posted by pete

The 300+k people unemployed would probably love to be worrying about extra cost of paying for their pension.

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:rolleyes: And there are plenty of people in the private sector who don't have to worry about a pensions levy or redundancy. This onedownmanship (?) is ridiculous. Of course people who lose their jobs would like one, and equally of course people aren't going to be happy at being much more heavily taxed. It's not some sort of bloody competition.

You should both be having a go at the people that are on 100,000's of thousands that are still getting increases and have pensions that would dwarf anything that the ordinary joe soap public sector worker gets. Or the tax exiles that hailed as hero's when they contribute only to their own personal follies in this state.

Well said Macy both Pete and mypost have fallen for the old trick and the right wing media and the likes of IBEC have turned this as private versus public. What do they say divide and conquer and guys you have fallen for it big time.

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Originally Posted by Macy

And there are plenty of people in the private sector who don't have to worry about .... redundancy.

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Are you serious !?!

I can assure you there are far more of us that do have genuine reason to worry. We've already had redundancies at my place, and theres a very real risk there could be more.
A lot of our clients have let people go, and things have gone ominously quiet with a lot more of them.
Our suppliers obviuosly are in a similar situation.

Tell me, who are these private sector people you've been speaking to who aren't worried? I need to know where to apply for my next job....

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Originally Posted by pete

The 300+k people unemployed would probably love to be worrying about extra cost of paying for their pension.

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The 326k unemployed are worried. Worried about when they will find a job.

In contrast, those in the public sector whinging about paying taxes have little to worry about.

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Originally Posted by mypost

In contrast, those in the public sector whinging about paying taxes have little to worry about.

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Apart from mortgage, child minders, car payments, rising bills etc etc

The uneducated ****e coming from some people in this thread is shocking.

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Originally Posted by mypost

The 326k unemployed are worried. Worried about when they will find a job.

In contrast, those in the public sector whinging about paying taxes have little to worry about.

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Why is your vitriol turned at the public sector workers who have not causd this rather than the people who have. Developers bankers politicians etc. Is it that you are jealous that of the conditions that other workers have fought for and kept. I feel sorry for anybody who loses a job and I am sure public sector workers do not live in isolation. Many will have wives, husbans, brothers, sisters fathers mothers children who are losing their job at the moment. So this idea that we live in areas or cocoons based on whether you are private or public is a nonsense. I think most public sector workers are willing to contribute to the health of the nation but they also want to see heads rolling in banks and tax breaks for the property developers stopped and more of a contribution from the people who have raked it in over the last 15 years.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Apart from mortgage, child minders, car payments, rising bills etc etc

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Bar child minders, that also applies to those on the dole.

Bottom line is, if you have a job, then you can manage. If you don't have a job, with almost the same demands, you're treading water on €10k a year.

Yeah but nobody should be made feel ashamed or embarassed for having a stable job. The media are creating a frenzy around this and certain people are falling for it. Nobody should be embarassed to be in a good stable job the same way nobody should be embarassed about being unemployed which was the way during the so called Celtic Tiger.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Nobody should be embarassed about being unemployed which was the way during the so called Celtic Tiger.

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You're not seen so much of a pariah now than say, 3 years ago, but you still try to avoid the "U" subject unless absolutely necessary. You still get stigmatised for it as to many, it's merely a figure they hear of once a month, rather than a problem with a human face to it.

I would not be so sure about that. I know people who have lost their jobs, I have been unemployed myself, I have had relatives who have had aswell. It goes back to what I was saying that the public private divide is madness because most peoples lives are intertwined with those in the public and private. Where there is a divide in Irish life is the lower income people and those who are inside the Fianna Fail tent at the galway Races or the bankers. These are the people who should be facing both the criticism and the brunt of the down turn. However the right wing media in this country esp the Sunday Indo like to have a go with those who do have jobs and have a go at unions and basically blame them for the unemployment figures and for the state of the country rather than the real culprits. Why because the people who finance the paper and who have shares in it are those same people

I feel the only way to survive the recession is to keep your job even if that means pay cuts or freezes. While some prices will increase a lot of things like mortgages will decrease.

I am sure some employers will try to take advantages by cutting wages but I suppose that will depend on the industry.

And what about the public sector workers who had to take the pay cut AND will lose their jobs in the next few months?

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Originally Posted by micls

And what about the public sector workers who had to take the pay cut AND will lose their jobs in the next few months?

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I dont mean to be flippant but the pay cut will no longer be relevant to them when they are let go.
They are in the same boat as the rest of us who have already had a cut, survived the first cull, but dont know from one month to the next how long our job will hold out.