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Did you read my post? "On a higher level, all clubs actions are relavent to others, but a fans forum is not one of those things" Does that sound like I think only Shels matters matter to Shels? I was talking about a Fans forum!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
I am as concerned as I need to be. Thanks for asking.
Just want to say that the Shels fans on here (including myself) and there are not alot of us on this forum either, do not speak for the rest of the Shels supporters! So if you lot read a post here it is not all the Shels fans same line of thinking!
If you look at most clubs this year they've seriously cut budgets. Infact I'd say only Shels and Drogs are the ones that haven't. Town have seriously cut the budget, although some handy money from Drogs has helped that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
I think the difference is most clubs have fans questioning where the money is coming from, and the amount paid out to players by them, even if their club has been overspending. Shels fans have just claimed we're all jealous.
Some clubs, including Harps in the past lets not forget, get sucked into trying to compete with the crazy money on offer by some clubs like shels, and bohs for a while. Most are beginning to cop on (either by their own decision, or by the threat of revenue) and cut their cloth accordingly.
They're still paying off the debts of the last time. I'm really not having a go at Harps at all, but they've played the overspend game too. Fair play for them getting their house in order, especially with pressure being put on by some of their managers in the press.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Trader
This is all happening too often people, Harps, Derry, Drogs, Rovers and Shels and many other clubs have all had massive problems in the past years
Its about time the FAI/Eircom League took it seriously
Clubs should have a wage cap imposed to a percentage of there income from the previous season.
thats the only thing i can think of would help
It does seem that the FAI are starting to take finances a lot more seriously. Remains to be seen if they backup the talk with action.
I would be very interested to see how accurate the monthly financial statements are to the FAI. I suppose its easier to fudge this at the start of this licencing process but going forward the FAI will have several years of financial records (can't use floods as excuse for lack of records) to monitor clubs more directly.
Pete, where's the evidence of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
"Pete, where's the evidence of this?"
Because they're saying it.
Speaking of saying stuff, have $h€££$ issued a statement yet?
Here is an independent fans group for Shels !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
I knew there had to be some group at least.
Its pretty sick to see so many of you wetting yourselves over shels being wound up!!
Firstly Id like to say that if shels DO NOT pay their tax bill I am 100% behind the revenue on this wind up order and although it would be a sad day as a Shels fan I think it’s fair enough and the blame lies on the side of the people/person running the club.
Secondly to all those who are jumping in with the Shels are cheating and gaining an unfair advantage on others by over spending, your talking bullsh!t. I said the exact same when Rovers were faced with a big bill and that was, until the day when Shels, Rovers or anyone else get away with paying their debts they have not broken any laws. As has been pointed out by Rovers fans everything they did was legal in the eyes of the law and the only problem I have with them was that they cheated others clubs along the way by getting out of their debt and starting a fresh when they built the debt up at other clubs expense.
Legally they were right but I think the FAI should have had some rules in place to cover a situation like examinership. They didn’t and its water under the bridge, I wish rovers the best under their new board but Shels have not refused to pay anybody as of yet so your jumping in a bit early with the cheating comments. Its not against the law to overspend! Shels have obviously run into cash flow problems but speculating is well within the law so again as long as all debts are paid in full then what's everyone's problem with how Shels do their business?
If others are to be believed then plenty of clubs owe money to the tax man and plenty of businesses owe money to the tax man, there's nothing illegal about this. Having debts is part of business (not ideal of course) and if Shels pay up and get back on track with the money they owe then they cant be accused of cheating in anyway.
Can I just ask Higgins, are you at all worried by the current situation? Is there any discontent amongst Shels fans even at this stage, or is it still blind faith in Ollie?
I wouldn't say it's blind faith just an acknowledgement that the football authorities have turned a blind eye to previous misdemeanors and are likely to be soft on Shels again. Judging by their posts here they don't understand the potential consequences of Byrne Laden's actions.
Lets put it this way Macy, there is a lot more discontent from fans of all the other clubs. I never even heard it mentioned on Friday night. I dont think everyone always had blind faith in Ollie.
I honestly don't think most people here want Shels to fold or anything. Some people are just sick of the way Ollie has basically made personal attacks on other clubs & just not very sympathetic towards his problems now. Shels also seem to have been irresponsible in not trying reduce this costs when their revenue has decreased as other clubs seem to have woken up to.
I think feelings about Ollie can be separated from those of Shels to some extent.
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Originally Posted by higgins
1. Shamrock Rovers were punished. They got docked 8 points for obtaining a licence by default and because of the financial position they cut their squad and got relegated. They have gained absolutely no advantage over other premier division clubs this season becuase they arent in the premier division.
2. I would love to see Shels get wound up because I hate Ollie Byrne. This man is an official of your club but time and again he brings disgrace to the game.
3. Having debts is part of business but Shels dont seem to be willing to manage their debts until they are forced to. Proof, if it was ever needed that the groundshare was dreamt up to save your club.
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Originally Posted by sfc red
There you have it right there !!
Not even mentioned? Shels fans are beyond help if even now it's not an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by sfc red
You have to remember that most football fans are not as active as you people on here. Most just turn up to games, watch the football and go home. People's lives are complicated enough :D
Can I just ask Higgins, are you at all worried by the current situation?
Yes I am very worried !
But if you have ever dropped into Shelsweb you will have noticed a whole load of posts questioning Ollie over the last couple of years and there have been many calls from the fans for meeting as to what is going on regarding the sale of Tolka/ paying off our debts and wage bill.
Ollie owns shels and the fans cant change that, he has always come up with the goods before and I think many people do have faith in him. Its not BLIND faith as you lot post on here as Shels fans are well aware we have debts and are paying players money that can only be maintained by success on the pitch. Some are happy with it and some are not but due to Shels being owned by Ollie its not something anyone like myself can control. If I had my way and Ive posted countless times on this, the money used on players would be cut and a greater effort made behind the scenes to increase revenue. There have been reports before of clubs cutting deals with the revenue and agreeing on a series of payments but it has never meant fans get together and oust the owner of that club!
What has happened is serious, of course it is but you have to all admit that it is the first time revenue have played hardball like this with EL clubs and as someone else pointed out others could be next. Ollie would be pleading with the fans Id imagine if this was nail in the coffin time and as he has not come near us I don’t think its as bad as some of you would like to believe. As for the shout that Ollie could turn his back and walk away :) yeah right!!!
Whatever happens in April it is clear we have cash flow problems and are in debt but if you asked Ollie two weeks ago were Shels in debt he would tell you yes!! Its no secret but at the moment its debt he has built up and it was debt I believed he would clear in a legal way. Ollie owns Shels but the running of the club is always questioned on the Shels message board.
Maybe what has happened now will make others sit up and notice that we don’t have loads of money? And in fact we do have a tax bill like other clubs!
Just on that - there was a meeting between, I think, Reds Independent and Ollie a year or so ago. Before then, RI were very vocally against selling Tolka, and after that, they suddenly were all in favour and wouldn't tell anyone why (I think that's the way it transpired). What was that meeting about, can any Shels fan tell me, or what's the general view about what was said at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins