Love Ulster March

Cudnt help feeling sorry for one particular guy named as 'an innocent bystander' and pictured in yesterdays sunday indo. He was wearing a celtic shirt over a hoodie and his clothing choice was probably just a wee bit unfortunate.

Just think it was always going to happen despite Sinn Fein and government claims. The government had to have had more information.There's an argument for the Garda reserve force or at least expansion of the garda division which was overrun. Had to laugh at Ray D'arcy's take on the breaking in to the Jervis Centre which went something to the effect 'were they trying to get to the Celtic shop/store'.

Brendan

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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

just hearing on the rte news that Gardai will use cctv footage to make more arrests. good enough for the neanderthal muppetts

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I hope more of these morons are brought to justice.
They have shamed our nation.

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Petrol bombs made up in advance were not the work of opportunistic scangers. That was premeditated action and planned well in advance.
apparently they were stashed in some laneways not far from O'Connell Street.:

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Good point CTID - absolutely appalled by all this. It beats me how unprepared the local and state authorities were.
Mypost, TBF to him, and many others here have been predicting aggro and to hear the lame excuses trotted out by Minister McDonfcukall showed him for the fluff and BS merchant he is. He's just like the Bushies in the US - talk tough and act like a chickenhawk.:mad:
A lot of this was preplanned and to hear the comments by O'Bradaigh, that nasty c.unt, was even more appalling.:mad: Throw in the gurriers getting their kicks from the riots and we had a right mess.
Jeez, every bloody TV station on the planet had it.
That's why I said in my above post that I'm trying to persuade my godson not to join the cops this Summer.
I mean, what's the point?

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Originally Posted by sirhamish

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Jeez, every bloody TV station on the planet had it.

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Just a footnote here in the states, as far as TV coverage is concerned. I guess our Country is not important to the US media,huh!

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Originally Posted by strangeirish

Just a footnote here in the states, as far as TV coverage is concerned. I guess our Country is not important to the US media,huh!

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Faux "News" had a filmed report on it but as usual made a complete b.ollicks of it as they do of all reports - especially when they're shilling for the Bush Crime Family.:mad:

We're important enough, though, strangeirish, to have Shannon airport as a stopover for those US soldiers coming from/going to Iraq. Another usual idiot for the Yanks in their "war on terra".

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Originally Posted by sirhamish

We're important enough, though, strangeirish, to have Shannon airport as a stopover for those US soldiers coming from/going to Iraq. Another usual idiot for the Yanks in their "war on terra".

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I was going to mention that, but we would end up straying off topic. Didn't want to get a reprimand from 'de bosses'.;)

Just chatting a lad who's mate was on duty during the protest/riot.
Originally there were 100 Garda assigned to police it. None in riot gear.
They we're on O'Connell St but ended up legging it back to Pearse St
garda station and we're baracaded in by the rioters.

According to him, 1 Bean Garda is in hospital at the moment with a
fractured skull, broken arm and broken leg.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Just chatting a lad who's mate was on duty during the protest/riot.
Originally there were 100 Garda assigned to police it. None in riot gear.
They we're on O'Connell St but ended up legging it back to Pearse St
garda station and we're baracaded in by the rioters.

According to him, 1 Bean Garda is in hospital at the moment with a
fractured skull, broken arm and broken leg.

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Ash, did I read somewhere once that the Gardai have to hire some Belgian outfit to get water cannons?? You'd imagine that this equipment would be standard gear for our police service??
They might need them if we don't get promoted this coming season. LOL

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Originally Posted by liam88

Steve-sorry I persumed that you had spent most of your time in Londain (wasn't sure how long you'd been in the UK) and was generally basing my perception of police on Guildford. Sorry-no offence meant....visit Guildford soemtime and we'll go round have a look at the local police....and the pubs :D

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Visit Guildford ? An ex girlfriend of mine lived there in 1994/5, and I was down there loads to see her. She was doing reserach for Kobe Steel at the University campus. Had a great view of the famous 'Omen' cathedral form her bedroom window.

Told you I knew a lot of places in England........ :D ;)

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Originally Posted by jebus

But I'd personally put the blame for this straight on to whoever it was that actually had the say in whether this march went ahead or not. Seriously did they not realise there'd be a bit of trouble at it?!? And anyone coming on here protesting that bull**** freedom of speech argument can **** right off. Would you allow a Nazi parade through Amsterdam for example? Nope. Would you allow an Al-Queda support group to march down Time Square? Nope. Would you allow a White Supremacy group to march through Harlem? No. So why is allowing the UVF to march through Dublin any different?

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Yeahhh !!! Or, or, it'd be just like allowing pro-IRA Republican groups to march through major cities in Britain and Northern Ireland ! Ahh, no - wait Ted. The British let Republicans hold those rallies, don'y they......

If a pro-Republican and frankly pro-IRA movement like Troops Out can organsise rallies and marches year in year out in Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow, London etc - then why shouldn't Love Ulster be afforded the same rights in what we claim is THEIR capital city ?

You may not like what Love Ulster have to say - but they STILL have a right to say it. You're way off the mark to say that anyone looking to express their democratic right to protest is wrong or to blame for the repercussions of that protest - just because you and other people don't like them or their message.

The people to blame for the trouble yesterday are the bigots stuck back in 1641, and the general skangers and hoods who joined them for the ride. Blaming anyone else is just pathetic.....

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Originally Posted by sirhamish

Ash, did I read somewhere once that the Gardai have to hire some Belgian outfit to get water cannons?? You'd imagine that this equipment would be standard gear for our police service??
They might need them if we don't get promoted this coming season. LOL

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Thats where the "PSNI" get them too.

No, whats pathetic is someone who hasn't lived in the country in years preasching to those livinghere about how they should behave when a march carrying pictures of a man responsible for the deaths of 20+ people is held beside the street those attrocities are held. You're living in a dream world if you think this was just a "peaceful protest"

It should never have been allowed.

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Originally Posted by dancinpants

Thats where the "PSNI" get them too.

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Yeah, dancinpants, but I think the PSNI keep them.:D

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Originally Posted by Dodge

No, whats pathetic is someone who hasn't lived in the country in years preasching to those livinghere about how they should behave when a march carrying pictures of a man responsible for the deaths of 20+ people is held beside the street those attrocities are held. You're living in a dream world if you think this was just a "peaceful protest"

It should never have been allowed.

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Two thumbs up.

KOH

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

There are zero excuses for what happened yesterday.

To put it all in context - there are Bloody Sunday marches every single year in Derry and in several cities in Britain (London, Glasgow, Manchester). Very occassionally in the past these have been 'attacked' by small groups of NF/BNP. But every single time they have been able to pass off either peacefully, or with the Police effectively controlling any anti-demonstration protestors.

Now - I know that Bloody Sunday is in many ways a different event than that which Love Ulster would have been drawing attention to. But the ostensible aim of their parade was a protest about IRA murders. Just like Bloody Sunday is a protest about British Army murders.

Likewise - you'll find Easter commemorations passing off peacefully in places like Liverpool, London and Glasgow every year.

So - Irish people are allowed to march unhindered throughout Britain and Northern Ireland in protest at the death of innocents (Bloody Sunday) and in overtly Republican displays (Easter commemorations). Yet British people aren't allowed to do the same in Dublin. By the very people who would be up in arms if any Bloody Sunday or Easter demo was stopped.

The rank hypocrisy of the idiots....

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Have very little care in the whole situation, but thought this was a very good post. well said. If more people in our two countries thought the same they would be alot better places.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

No, whats pathetic is someone who hasn't lived in the country in years preasching to those livinghere about how they should behave when a march carrying pictures of a man responsible for the deaths of 20+ people is held beside the street those attrocities are held. You're living in a dream world if you think this was just a "peaceful protest"

It should never have been allowed.

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Oh I see - just because I currently live outside of the island of Ireland, I'm magically denied a valid opinion ! Good of you to extend your disdain of democracy beyond the Love Ulster rallists and onto otehr foot.ie members now. What time is that book burning you've organised again....?

I could retaliate by saying the most pathetic thing of all is scumbags from the Republic acting like the North weas the biggest and most important thing in the world to them - so important that they'd attack their own citizens over it - yet they're not the ones who've had to live through the feckin chaos, carnage and disaster that was the troubles for EVERYONE concerned up there. Armchair feckin Republicans that they are. But then, I wouldn't say that as that would just make me a turkey like you....

And can you confirm for me EXACTLY WHERE the evidence is that a picture of the Dublin bombers was to be on display on Saturday ? I've heard the rumours, but if that's all it is then it's just bullsh!t.

And I keep drawing you back to the other side of your one-faced coin - there's been many a Hunger Strike commemoration rally held in London, Glasgow and Manchester over the years. In case you think the Hunger Strickers were librarians or flower arrangers - they were people convicted for crimes identical to the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. Those Republican rallies are allowed to pass off in Britain - and you can bet that if they weren't you would be on here castigating the anti-Irish lack of democracy over there.

Do you really not see how hypocritical this all makes you and the other 'no legal right to protest for loyalists/prods' mob look ?

And as for Love Ulster being a "peacfeul protest". Firstly - on none of my posts did I say it either would be or was, so feck knows why you're trying to sling that at me !! Regardless - I'll take you up on the challenge anyway. Take a look at what happened on Saturday, and tell me this - exactly who was it who was involved in non-peaceful protesting..... ?

I'm with dcfcsteve here. Someone else said it well too, what happened on Saturday was taking a dump on all our civil liberties. This is a group of people who will use illegal and undemocratic measures to get what they want when they want. Ok, so it's not so obvious as the protest against the march happened to be against something a great deal of us don't feel over the moon about. If we all took this approach our country would descend into utter anarchy. On a highly superficial level the violence on Saturday made us look like a sheerly intolerant nation. Anyone who harbours hope of a United Ireland can just forget it if they couldn't stomach the loyalist protest on Saturday.

DCFCSTEVE,All your posts on this topic have been spot on.Well said(or typed).
Those guys who wrapped themselves in the Irish tricolour on Saturday should ask themselves why are those colours "so placed" on the flag and what are they supposed to represent.

I must say that the trouble on Saturday was an affront to democracy and a freedom of speech. What was the big deal over a march? Get over it! Every rioter on Saturday should be ASHAMED to be Irish and how dare anybody uses the Tricolour to justify their dastardly actions.:mad: The Tricolour represents the two cultures, green for the Nationalists/Republicans, white for peace and orange for the Unionists. If people wants to march, Republican or Unionist, let them march and it is time that everybody grew up and accept one another. The police and Dublin Corporation should have been better prepared. If we are all so uptight on a lousy march, then I give up. Violence is WRONG!!:mad:

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Oh I see - just because I currently live outside of the island of Ireland, I'm magically denied a valid opinion !

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No, its just less valid than those who live here. Similarly your views on the North and in particular Derry are more valid than mine

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Those Republican rallies are allowed to pass off in Britain - and you can bet that if they weren't you would be on here castigating the anti-Irish lack of democracy over there.

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Far ****ing from it steve. I despise Republicanism and all it entails. I have no problem with any Republican marches being banned.

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Do you really not see how hypocritical this all makes you and the other 'no legal right to protest for loyalists/prods' mob look ?

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As you can see, it doesn't. of course I'd be anti-loyalist but I'm far from anti-"prod". Some of my family are "prods". Some of them live in Belfast btw...

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exactly who was it who was involved in non-peaceful protesting..... ?

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Idiot barstool republicans. Their actions were a disgrace and I condemn everybody who rioted/looted on Saturday (or indeed anytime)

None of my opinions above are contradictoy or hypocritical. The march should not have been allowed because it was incendiary. There was always going to be trouble and the right to free speech is less important than keeping the peace IMO