Hull City owners to take majority stake in Dundalk?

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

I would have thought if there is nothing in writing either in the contract or any other document then the players wouldn’t have any comeback.
Either way, looking for bonuses for last years European “performances” made me laugh.

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Well verbal contracts are a thing but it just strikes me as not being the norm in this situation...or any situation really outside of sales between 2 private individuals. Not even sure how you would prove a verbal contract existed in court unless every player had the exact same story, bonus structure etc and had other witnesses to say it was an agreement between both sides etc. Just strikes me as something fishy happening as you would imagine any agent worth his salt would be making sure that all agreed bonuses are written into the contract before signing. Be interesting to see what the PFAI find anyway

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

It's almost as if people didn't learn any lessons from previous clubs wildly spending money on their first team instead of investing in club structures.

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Yeah like wild Bill wasnt told that he was ripped off, and all local involvemnet in the club didnt resign in protest, while dignified charcters like Burton among others never rubbed their hands. 250k igning on fee is not normal behaviour even in LoI!

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

I would have thought if there is nothing in writing either in the contract or any other document then the players wouldn’t have any comeback.
Either way, looking for bonuses for last years European “performances” made me laugh.

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Regardless of the heat we were dreadful in Gibraltar, lucky to get away with a draw, then got the 3-1 win at home, but it was 1-1 for a good bit. Enter the Icemen, we were shocking over there in a 3-1 defeat and probably didn't deserve to get a draw at home. Hoban was very poor in 3 of the 4 games too.

Bonus payments indeed, unfortunately its for getting there, not actual games, seems poor form though if agreed and not paid.

Performanc related bonuses are to ensure olayers give it all and perform. They didnt! There may have been a bonus for qualifying i'd pull it for being ****/1

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Performanc related bonuses are to ensure olayers give it all and perform. They didnt!

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they won through a round and earned more money.

Any more analysis than that shouldn't really be relevant.

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Performanc related bonuses are to ensure olayers give it all and perform. They didnt! There may have been a bonus for qualifying i'd pull it for being ****/1

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If their performances were sufficient enough to earn the club extra prize money then they should be sufficient enough to be given any bonus that was agreed.

Results are and always will be the only basis to award football bonuses on. Performances are too subjective and would see clubs looking to not award bonuses based on crazy/tight owners definition of what a good performance was or wasn’t

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Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract

If their performances were sufficient enough to earn the club extra prize money then they should be sufficient enough to be given any bonus that was agreed.

Results are and always will be the only basis to award football bonuses on. Performances are too subjective and would see clubs looking to not award bonuses based on crazy/tight owners definition of what a good performance was or wasn’t

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It didn't do Dundee United any harm.

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Originally Posted by https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50700041

"Jim McLean was a genius as far as I was concerned," Sturrock once said. "His training was revolutionary and his coaching transformed me. As for his man-management skills? Well, that's another debate."

McLean, after all, withheld his side's £50 entertainment bonus after a 6-1 win over Motherwell a couple of seasons earlier, reasoning that, having scored four times in the opening 17 minutes, they did not do enough thereafter to keep the crowd engaged.

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Originally Posted by Hitman

It didn't do Dundee United any harm.

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Different times, smoking a box of fags at halftime and living on a liquid diet of pints didn’t do them any harm back then either :)

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Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract

If their performances were sufficient enough to earn the club extra prize money then they should be sufficient enough to be given any bonus that was agreed.

Results are and always will be the only basis to award football bonuses on. Performances are too subjective and would see clubs looking to not award bonuses based on crazy/tight owners definition of what a good performance was or wasn’t

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Or maybe an aggrieved agent is putting spin on a clause, sort of like when the activation of a contract extension clause is disputed, or when accepted could try to add a new release clause. If it were an entire squad that had claims in....doesnt licencing deal with outstanding money to players from a previous season? Or maybe it was a hand shake drawn on a cigarette paper agreement. As for Zahibo coming knocking...well little surprises at Dundalk at the moment.

Most of the money Dundalk earned back in the day did go to the players.seems a couple of players not from then thought that the same "loose" contract from that era applied to them when it didn't.

More annoying for me in the circumstances is that the club didn't pay local businesses invoices when they were due.
Hopefully Ainscough etc is now on top of that issue.

Can see somewhat why the former coo got his marching orders now.

Don't pi*s off your local suppliers while saying you're a community club.

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Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado

Most of the money Dundalk earned back in the day did go to the players.seems a couple of players not from then thought that the same "loose" contract from that era applied to them when it didn't.

More annoying for me in the circumstances is that the club didn't pay local businesses invoices when they were due.
Hopefully Ainscough etc is now on top of that issue.

Can see somewhat why the former coo got his marching orders now.

Don't pi*s off your local suppliers while saying you're a community club.

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You may have just mentioned the war!

Ainscough bored of Dundalk and looking to sell up already it seems. Club reportedly due to post a deficit of €1.2m in their 2023 accounts

https://www.independent.ie/regionals...123019098.html

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Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract

Ainscough bored of Dundalk and looking to sell up already it seems. Club reportedly due to post a deficit of €1.2m in their 2023 accounts

https://www.independent.ie/regionals...123019098.html

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Any chance a fans trust will want to take over the club? I cant see why Dundalk fans keep trusting their club to owners who have little to no interest in the long term stability of the club

Respectfully, I don't know if Dundalk is a large enough place with the numbers/finances to survive as a PD entity being fan owned. So many challenges, and so much funding needed, I'd only see things get considerably worse in the short-medium term.

There does be a lot of childish chat on social media of clubs "rattling" others but safe to say Pats are taking the crown if they've managed to push an owner of a club over the edge by getting a fixture postponed.

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Originally Posted by Acornvilla

Respectfully, I don't know if Dundalk is a large enough place with the numbers/finances to survive as a PD entity being fan owned. So many challenges, and so much funding needed, I'd only see things get considerably worse in the short-medium term.

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Can it really be worse than a rotating door of owners? I mean they are on the verge of relegation as is and it's not like Ainscough has the financial backing currently to sustain significant losses. So if they do get relegated and Ainscough stays he doesn't have the money to pump into the club to get them straight back into the premier. So the funding challenges are likely to raise their head regardless of if it's a fan ownership model or private ownership. Things can get worse is both scenarios but at least with fan ownership you know the people running the club are likely in it for the long haul.

A season in the 1st division may be just what the dundalk fans need, just to realise that the only way to save the club they profess to love will be to organize amongst themselves.
Looking for the next snake oil salesman to come along and fund their club is a frankly childish notion.

The fans shouldn't have let him near the club after he left Kerry high and dry. Fella is clearly an idiot miles out of his depth.

The fans taking over the club, at least in the short term, is the logical solution. But, this is the LOI and nothing is logical. Ainscough will look for money for the club and the fans won't be ponying up the money he'll want.

Ainscough clearly never had the funds required to run Dundalk,you’d have to ask serious questions of the people who sold it to him,if Dundalk don’t find another ‘sugar daddy’ and go down the fan ownership route you’d fear a barren few years again,from listening to James Rogers quite a bit over the last couple of years on Dundalk’s fundraising capacity it wouldn’t fill you with confidence,certainly nothing like a Sligo Rovers and what they’ve able to generate…..