Keane Walks Out On Sunderland

Very rarely do great players make great managers. Roy turned them around in his first season but Ian Dowie did something similar in his first season with Crystal Palace, didnt win the Championship but won the playoffs.

Great Player, average manager .... so far

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Originally Posted by Denis The Red

I have to say having read some of the digusting rubbish posted here about one of the greatest players this country has ever had is making me sick.
I bet most of you are the same thrash that booed him at Lansdowne road because that hack Cathal Dervan said to and felt like crap when he got man of the match. Vultures you all are.
I've never seen such bile and hatred of a footballer since the english declared war on Maradonna when he scored that goal with his wonderful hand in '86.
I was disappointed with Tony Cascarino on Matt Cooper's show tonight when he tore strips of Roy for something that happened in a Heathrow airport toilet back in the day. I mean grow up the lot of you.
Cas got praise for telling it as it is when that's all Roy did his entire career.
It's about time people started respecting Roy for the service he gave his country, the passionate way he played and the way he steadied the sinking Sunderland ship when the damn place was heading for the blue square league or something.

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whay happened in the toilet and what did that cnut cascarino say?

Yeah I have said for a long time that Cascarino is nothing but a low life.

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

whay happened in the toilet and what did that cnut cascarino say?

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More than likely Cas sais it as it was which , true to form , Keane and his ilk do not like to hear, which is obviously borne out by statements such as the above.

He'll be back.

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Originally Posted by Roy Keane

'I look forward to building on those experiences and, sometime in the future, returning to football management.'

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Keane wants to return to management

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/v...etop-6237.html

I love the fact that local long-time Sunderland fans aren't that bothered about Keane going (per TV and newspaper interviews) and find it bemusing how its headline news in Ireland and provoking a civil war played out in the media.

It really is quite ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Denis The Red

I have to say having read some of the digusting rubbish posted here about one of the greatest players this country has ever had is making me sick.
I bet most of you are the same thrash that booed him at Lansdowne road because that hack Cathal Dervan said to and felt like crap when he got man of the match. Vultures you all are.
I've never seen such bile and hatred of a footballer since the english declared war on Maradonna when he scored that goal with his wonderful hand in '86.
I was disappointed with Tony Cascarino on Matt Cooper's show tonight when he tore strips of Roy for something that happened in a Heathrow airport toilet back in the day. I mean grow up the lot of you.
Cas got praise for telling it as it is when that's all Roy did his entire career.
It's about time people started respecting Roy for the service he gave his country, the passionate way he played and the way he steadied the sinking Sunderland ship when the damn place was heading for the blue square league or something.

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well said

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Originally Posted by joe_denilson

He'll be back.

Keane wants to return to management

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Simon Barnes, sports columnist of the year. www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists
Why do these guys keep turning up to tell it as it really is?

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Originally Posted by Denis The Red

I have to say having read some of the digusting rubbish posted here about one of the greatest players this country has ever had is making me sick.
I bet most of you are the same thrash that booed him at Lansdowne road because that hack Cathal Dervan said to and felt like crap when he got man of the match. Vultures you all are.
I've never seen such bile and hatred of a footballer since the english declared war on Maradonna when he scored that goal with his wonderful hand in '86.
I was disappointed with Tony Cascarino on Matt Cooper's show tonight when he tore strips of Roy for something that happened in a Heathrow airport toilet back in the day. I mean grow up the lot of you.
Cas got praise for telling it as it is when that's all Roy did his entire career.
It's about time people started respecting Roy for the service he gave his country, the passionate way he played and the way he steadied the sinking Sunderland ship when the damn place was heading for the blue square league or something.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5303845.ece

The article above by a neutral doesn't quite fit the panegyric above.

All hail Keane. To dare criticise God Almighty, who isn't slow to criticise just about everyone else, means we're all devotees of Cathal Dervan!!

To quote a friend of mine:

Keane has been given a mystique that is pretty laughable. All this stuff about high principles and the failure of the game to live up to his standards. Remove the Irishness from the equation and what do you have. Keane was by any standards one of the outstanding players of his generation. After that though we have a player who decries the way the game has gone while pocketing massive wages all the time. A manager who is incompetent in the transfer market, lacks any real tactical plan, has lost his dressing room, bangs on about professionalism while walking out when the going gets tough (got form there as well). He walked because he didn't want to be in a position where Mother Teresa gave him his P45. If he was English he'd have been fired earlier.

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Originally Posted by smasher

More than likely Cas sais it as it was which , true to form , Keane and his ilk do not like to hear, which is obviously borne out by statements such as the above.

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Nothing to do with Keane and outside of that debate but Cascarino is nothing but a low life. Do a bit of digging about him on the net or read his book or even just listen to him and you will see what sort of character he is. He is also a terrible pundit too and it is amazing that he is let anywhere near a microphone.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5303845.ece

The article above by a neutral doesn't quite fit the panegyric above.

All hail Keane. To dare criticise God Almighty, who isn't slow to criticise just about everyone else, means we're all devotees of Cathal Dervan!!

To quote a friend of mine:

Keane has been given a mystique that is pretty laughable. All this stuff about high principles and the failure of the game to live up to his standards. Remove the Irishness from the equation and what do you have. Keane was by any standards one of the outstanding players of his generation. After that though we have a player who decries the way the game has gone while pocketing massive wages all the time. A manager who is incompetent in the transfer market, lacks any real tactical plan, has lost his dressing room, bangs on about professionalism while walking out when the going gets tough (got form there as well). He walked because he didn't want to be in a position where Mother Teresa gave him his P45. If he was English he'd have been fired earlier.

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Its a good article except for a few things. Keane is not a crap manager as he too was top of the Cocal Cola Championship like Mick Mc Carthy is and he too won manager of the month. So the journalist is tying himself up in knots with his argument there. Incidently McCarthy is not a crap manager either he is a very good manager, so Keane was wrong there. Like any complex issue there is grey and to me in this there is very little black and white. Both good managers with McCarthy more experience and a better manager at this stage. Both great captains for Ireland and if I met either I would shake their had and say fair play for the great service they gave the Irish team. If this is the civil war well then I am Labour.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Nothing to do with Keane and outside of that debate but Cascarino is nothing but a low life. Do a bit of digging about him on the net or read his book or even just listen to him and you will see what sort of character he is. He is also a terrible pundit too and it is amazing that he is let anywhere near a microphone.

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If you replaced Cascarino with Keane in your sentence nobody would argue with you!

If you replaced "nobody would" with "I would not" , I think you may be correct. To say that nobody would argue with me is not correct whatsoever.

I read what Cas had to say and could not see anything outrageous.
He thought Keane had done a good job and should have stayed.
(But maybe he couldn't hide some glee)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...carino-001.jpg

"He's taken the easy option. He's not rolled up his sleeves and even with as much courage as Roy Keane says he's got, this is the end for him.
"He'll not manage again. No-one will give him the opportunity to manage a football club because they won't trust him. That's the bottom line.
"Up until the last few weeks where it's gone pear-shaped and he's not had the results, I thought he'd done a good job.
"But they are only two wins away from mid-table.
"You're going to have bad results in your management career as you do in your playing career. But you don't just walk away."

I would agree, I don't think that Cascarino has said anything totally over the top in relation to this. I just think his analysis of the game is rubbish and his character is dodgy to say the least. Double life, playing poker sopranos style.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

If you replaced "nobody would" with "I would not" , I think you may be correct. To say that nobody would argue with me is not correct whatsoever.

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Fair enough, but I think you get my point.
Cas hit the nail on the head and sometimes the truth hurts.
As for analysis of the game, that's a matter of opinion. Not many are as bad as Dunphy and Humphries ( nauseating diatribe on Keane) whose rantings get regular press coverage

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Originally Posted by geysir

I read what Cas had to say and could not see anything outrageous.
He thought Keane had done a good job and should have stayed.
(But maybe he couldn't hide some glee)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...carino-001.jpg

"He's taken the easy option. He's not rolled up his sleeves and even with as much courage as Roy Keane says he's got, this is the end for him.
"He'll not manage again. No-one will give him the opportunity to manage a football club because they won't trust him. That's the bottom line.
"Up until the last few weeks where it's gone pear-shaped and he's not had the results, I thought he'd done a good job.
"But they are only two wins away from mid-table.
"You're going to have bad results in your management career as you do in your playing career. But you don't just walk away."

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He also said that Roy Keane accosted him in the gents in Heathrow in an attempt to intimidate and bully him and that he laughed it off and told him if he ever had any issues to feel free to come and see him. This was after Matt Cooper asked him was he having a go at him for walking away because Keane had a go at Cas in the press previously and Cas said in a jokey fashin that 'it wasn't just the press, he had a go at me in the toilets in Heathrow as well!' He said that Keane did this to a number of Irish teammates (although maybe not in a public toilet!) over the years depending on his mood and that it had also happened with Man u teammates but been kept quiet by the club. He said Keane was basically a bully. He's entitled to his opinion, he may be a sh1t pundit but I can't see why anyone has a problem with him saying any of this. Check last Friday's Last Word on todayfm.com and the interview should still be in the 7 day archive. Can't link in to it from work unfortunately.

And as for the clown who suggested above that people having a go at Keane were doing so on the behest of Cathal Dervan (that old chesnut!), cop yourself on, we're big enough to have our own opinions without relying on some gob****e from the Daily Star or whatever rag he submits his excuses for articles to these days to tell us what to think....

http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekday...er/listen.aspx

Just listend to it. The problem I have with Cascarino is that he does not leave his anaylsis to football. He brings personality into it. He said that O Leary was not a nice person and he basically tore his character to shreds on the airwaves and he has done the same with Keane. Now that is fine but those in glass houses should not throw stones. Cascarino is no one to be going on about personality.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I would agree, I don't think that Cascarino has said anything totally over the top in relation to this. I just think his analysis of the game is rubbish and his character is dodgy to say the least. Double life, playing poker sopranos style.

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I think that fot a Keane supporter to label someone else a ' dodgy character' is bit rich.