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Originally Posted by paul_oshea
How do you figure that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Percentage identifying as "Northern Irish Only": 21%
Percentage identifying as "British & Northern Irish Only": 6%
Percentage identifying as "Irish Only": 25%
Unless I'm reading something incorrectly...
Edit: Are you combining the two former figures? What's interesting about it exactly?
NB is summing the "Northern Irish Only" and "British & Northern Irish Only" categories, and using that sum to make a comparison with the "Irish only" category. Why? Because NB thinks it is interesting and by posting this interesting observation here he's presumably hoping to get some interesting debate on his interesting observation. By interesting I understand NB as meaning pointless.
Ha ha, to ifk's post and DI's diagram.
In the former's case, what about the other 48%...
:rolleyes:
Well nicked. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
No problems. Well, in the main...
Here's to many more.
A combination of the above presumably, along with other identities from around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Or maybe "Northen Irish"...
http://assets.u.tv/galleries/2/1/5/1...protest_06.jpg
Come now, on the basis of their ropey spelling on here, the alumni of the unionist education system would appear to have much to answer for...
;)
Though am presuming that eejit is additionally one of the '6%' from that census?
I await the arrival of the 'No To Foreign Games' poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
On the contrary, mo chara....our Minister for Education here in Northern Ireland can claim a lot of credit:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20678866
Well done Johno.
From last place to first in a year, O'Dowd must be a miracle worker. Sinn Fein rocks!
NI education status 'an enduring myth'
Presumably by the same people with that placard, about G.A.A.?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Doesn't matter if the current crop are all budding Einsteins;their parents (& similar) can't spell...
This reminds me of another protest a few years ago, also at the city hall when the first gay marriage took place. One of the protesters had a placard which read "Ulster says no to sodomy."
Now I'm no expert but to engage in buggery I think you need at least one penis in the coupling.
The couple in question were called Grainne and Shannon.
Strap-on!Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrocket
Some would have you believe that the northern counties are in a constant state of alert against every perceived threat.
Save Ulster From ----
Ulster Says No To -------
Insert threat of choice.
I think this time it's particularly ironic, seeing as they're protesting a decision made by a democratically elected body.
"Ulster says no to removing the flag!"
No mate, Ulster says yes to it. Otherwise they would have voted DUP instead of SF and Alliance.
In many ways, the hard core Unionists remind me of nutjob christians in the US. They genuinely think it's a grave human rights abuse that their privileged position is being taken away, and they have to be treated just like anyone else.
Peadar i said that on one of the first posts on this thread, or maybe it was another thread.
Anyway,yes thats exactly who they are, look to the roots of those in mid-state redneck america and you have a larger proportion of the bible god squad who are of german(mormon/methodist/presbyterian/protestant/insert_i_cant_believe_its_not_a_real_religion_here )ancestry or scots/ulster/ulster scots/northern irish. About the same time they were shipped over here they went a bit further west too.
One of the remarkable things over the past fews days is that nobody has picked up the massive U Turn by the (so called) political representaives of "Loyalism".Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
We have seen high ranking figures in the PUP at various protests - we have been told by the PSNI that members of the UVF (and UDA) have been involved in organising and participating in some of the violent scenes we have witnessed.
However, a look at the Belfast City Council Equality Impact Assessment on the flying Of The Union Flag at City Hall, includes the following submission from the PUP:
Progressive Unionist Party
- Northern Ireland is an integral part of the United Kingdom and the flag of a nation is a constitutional symbol;
- while this needs to be respected there is no requirement to fly the flag every day;
- it is our opinion that the Union flag should fly outside the City Hall, the Ulster Hall and the Duncrue Complex on the designated flag days plus the additional four days exclusive to Northern Ireland.
Make of that as you will.
Fair play for pointing out NB. Occasionally, even the PUP make some sense!
But they do seem to indulge in a lot of 'double-speak', but not exactly exclusive to them.
Or as my pal says, like the white South Africans (well Boers) and the Israelis and their settlers.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
All equally contemptible for the reasons you cite.
I met Ulster on the street one day.
I concluded our conversation by asking "Will your answer to this question be 'no'?"
I'll never forget the conflicted look on their face.
I think we have a future Elite Player Mentor (EPN) on our hands here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
That has gone way above my head, Charlie.
"Northen" is written on the poster, not "Northern."Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I got that, but I'm still in the dark about the EPN bit.
When the first article about Armstrong's role as mentor was published, it was referred to by the acronym EPN ('nentor' rather than mentor?).Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
A similar piece of misspelling here.
Geysir. 'They' (& don't want to appear 'sectarian') seem to have an issue with spelling.
Of the language of the country, they have such love for...
Morons always have trouble with spelling. No matter which side of a 600-year-old religious spat they fall on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Aye. But having known both communities...
Basil McCrea is of the opinion that flying the flag on designated days only is also UUP policy despite his disciplining and the party's recent utterances on the issue in public: http://www.u.tv/News/UUP-whip-withdr...c-d94574ea9146Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
The joint UUP/DUP leaflet attacking Alliance read:Quote:
Mr McCrea told UTV he was disappointed to learn of the decision [to withdraw the party whip from him].
He continued: "I've been trying to point out what is the right way forward and put out constructive ideas and frankly I'm disappointed. I told Mike that I don't think it's the right way forward, but it's Mike's decision and that's what he's done.
"If I voted for designated days in Lisburn and if in Stormont we have designated days and other councils then why would I take any different opinion wherever I am?
"To my mind this is UUP policy and I was just bringing it to the attention of people and I also happen to think it's the right way forward - but I do think all-party talks are the way to resolve these issues and I think it's been a disappointing outcome when I tried to put forward my arguments in the appropriate place and the appropriate way."
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...9_leaflet2.jpg
Is McCrea correct?
Well, the concept of representative democracy also comprises of protecting minority interests, but I don't see why the compromise reached on this particular issue should be viewed as an attack on British/unionist identity. The Union flag will remain flying on designated days above a city hall that still bears all the symbolic hallmarks of a very-much-British institution. The front grounds still feature the 11-foot-high statue of Queen Victoria and a memorial to Sir Edward J. Harland MP, whilst, inside, there's a bronze statue to the Earl of Belfast, Frederick Richard Chichester that was commissioned to mark the Festival of Britain in 1951. There are also portraits of King Edward VII, the Earl of Shaftesbury and Sir Edward Harland on the walls. The stained glass windows display the Royal Coat of Arms and those of the Chichester family. There's also a special case displaying the Royal Charter granted to Belfast in 1613 and the 1888 Charter from Queen Victoria. There are yet more stained glass windows in the Banqueting Hall showing the Royal Arms and those of Lord Donegall and Lord Shaftesbury along with further portraits of King William III, Queen Victoria and King Edward VI. Have I missed anything?...Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
The alarmist notion that Belfast is becoming a "cold house" for unionists is all rather daft.
The sad thing is that for a while, the whole thing was working exactly the way I think Northern Ireland should work. The two opposing blocs had very different opinions about something, but neither had the majority to force it through against the will of the other. A non-aligned party stepped in, proposed a compromise, and it was passed, legally and democratically, by the elected body.
And then suddenly, stuff was smashed, heads were stuck through windows, and "no surrender" was screeched.
Still, maybe next time things will go better.
On the other hand, the (shining) piece of light relief, came in the form of that Belfast Crazed Bigot.
I suppose she will be after some royalties soon enough.
I dunno. Probably not worthy of so much attention?
With Dimitri on this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuIgZzW2J_Q
McCrea is somewhat of a maverick - he would position himself as a leading voice of moderate Unionism.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I believe he takes the broader picture of the GFA - of which, of course, the UUP were one of the key architects - as his basis for UUP policy on this issue. The agreement on equality, parity of esteem etc.
On specific UUP stated policy on the City Hall flag issue, he is out of sync with Party thinking - he would argue that Party policy on the flag issue is out of sync with the broad principles agreed by the UUP in the GFA.
The leaflet sent out by the DUP & UUP is grossly misleading - it was designed to play on people's fears - For starters, PSF/SDLP policy was not that the flag be "ripped down on all but a few days" - it was that there should be no Union Flag at City Hall, period. It was an Alliance compromise proposal that saw the flag staying on designated days.
Much easier for the DUP & UUP to demonise Alliance, than to face up to the "big boys".
Alliance acted totally in accordance with their stated policies on equality, shared space etc.
Anyway, I would think Basil will jump ship in the New Year - hopefully to Alliance, maybe to the Conservatives.
Grinches have no humour.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
One factual inaccuracy by NB in his post there.
My Christmas sixpence to the first person who can spot it?
His incorrect use of em dashes.
"Hopefully", as in you'll be glad to see the back of a recalcitrant, or as in you'll be glad to welcome over a maverick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
David Trimble appears to side with McCrea on what the UUP stance ought to be: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20728991
Haven't the UUP been stirring as well though? The leaflet campaign was a joint effort, after all.Quote:
Former first minister David Trimble has accused the DUP of "cynically" stirring things over the flying of the union flag at Belfast City Hall.
The Conservative peer told the BBC the row was more to do with the DUP's attempts to win back the East Belfast parliamentary seat from Alliance.
"I am surprised there is a problem, because the issue could have been foreseen, a compromise was available.
"It seems rather strange the compromise has not been accepted," he said.
The Irish Daily Star tweeted this earlier today:
Speculation on OWC suggests the player in question might be Rory Donnelly. For what it's worth, Donnelly was called into a NI under-21 side in November of 2011 but didn't feature in their match against Serbia. I don't think he has ever represented the IFA or participated in any of their squads other than that actually. Can't imagine that making much difference to the expected outrage, mind...Quote:
[In tomorrow's Irish Daily Star...] Find out who's the latest Irish player to snub Michael O Neill and the North for Trap's Army #fai
Tenner says it's Alex Bruce.