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16/05/2012, 9:50 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

Gibson and Mccarthy have the ability to control midfield for us for the next 3 or 4 campaigns. Think poor gibson has been treated awful badly by utd and ireland fans. There are very few better defensive midfielders in england.

that was Gibson's problem, he is a defensive midfielder, but was being brought on as an attacking player, behind the strikers. Far better playing where he is now, between defence and midfield, passing out from defence to the forward players
17/05/2012, 8:10 AM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

How can stats be misleading. They are what they are. No-one has put up Gibson's United victory stats or his FA Cup stats so why have you even brought that up

Nit-picking. I was just giving examples of games where stats don't tell the full story (yours or otherwise). The Blackpool one is still relevant to my point as they were losing 2-0 until he went off but counts in his unbeaten run.

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

You don't like Gibson

Wrong. I don't rate him on what I have seen and have felt his attitude could have been better at times.

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

You haven't seen him play well in 3 years

Guilty! That's not to say I haven't seen some attributes or glimpses of ability. Just disappointed more often than not. The best I have seen him play was when he came on in Bari, although strangely enough I never got to see the game back afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

You didn't think he'd even make it at a PL club. Great. Thankfully there are managers who do like him and are willing to play him

Indeed. And believe it or not this pleases me. I'll be as happy as anybody if he turns into a quality player for Everton and Ireland. Being proven wrong or even silly on an internet forum isn't a phobia of mine.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

that was Gibson's problem, he is a defensive midfielder, but was being brought on as an attacking player, behind the strikers. Far better playing where he is now, between defence and midfield, passing out from defence to the forward players

I could definitely see him being much more suited to this role. He just hasn't played well in the games I have seen Everton play in my opinion. I am more than open to the idea that I might have just seen the wrong games.

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

Stats aren't the be all and end all. They are largely fun but they objective and you can take them or leave them

Liverpool have only won 2 out of the 12 PL games that Steven Gerrard has started this season. See, I can be fun too!
17/05/2012, 1:33 PM
Irwin3

And there is the other side to that coin where he came on near the end of the game when the side was already losing. Such as his last PL defeat against Chelsea when he came on in the 86th minute and the team were already losing. Otherwise the unbeaten run would be extended further and Gibson would be lifting the Ballon d'Or and you would be crying into your cornflakes since you've been watching all the wrong games.

I'm not surprised by that stat at all. Steven Gerrard has been a pile of dog-poo for the last couple of years (occasionally still able to strike a ball, but hey so can David Beckham). If you think otherwise then good for you.
17/05/2012, 1:36 PM
paul_oshea

Irwin3, forgetting stats and everything else, who do you see Darron Gibson as on a level par with in World Football?

Do you see him as a top class midfielder?
17/05/2012, 1:41 PM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

And there is the other side to that coin where he came on near the end of the game when the side was already losing. Such as his last PL defeat against Chelsea when he came on in the 86th minute and the team were already losing

Exactly, another stick to beat stats with. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

Otherwise the unbeaten run would be extended further and Gibson would be lifting the Ballon d'Or and you would be crying into your cornflakes since you've been watching all the wrong games.

No, I've only been watching the wrong games since he moved to Everton (seemingly). Saw the vast majority of his United no-shows.

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

I'm not surprised by that stat at all. Steven Gerrard has been a pile of dog-poo for the last couple of years (occasionally still able to strike a ball, but hey so can David Beckham). If you think otherwise then good for you.

I don't really, just thought it was a 'fun stat'. To be fair, I'd say their record isn't too great without him either.
17/05/2012, 1:52 PM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Irwin3, forgetting stats and everything else, who do you see Darron Gibson as on a level par with in World Football?

Do you see him as a top class midfielder?

He's the best CM in the Irish squad by a distance.
17/05/2012, 2:01 PM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Exactly, another stick to beat stats with. Thank you.

No, I've only been watching the wrong games since he moved to Everton (seemingly). Saw the vast majority of his United no-shows.

I don't really, just thought it was a 'fun stat'. To be fair, I'd say their record isn't too great without him either.

Stats are fun and you can take or leave them as I said earlier. However, the larger the sample the harder they are to simply ignore. You're "All stats must die" mantra is ridiculous and I would suggest you to seek medical assistance.

It becomes clear that you haven't been to the wrong games, but you simply don't rate this player for whatever reasons. Others disagree.

You were clearly trying to show that "good player has bad stat run" otherwise, why would you bring it up?

Our positions are:
Me- Gibson is the best CM in the squad. Played some great stuff for Everton, blah blah blah

You- Never seen Gibson play well in 3 years, didn't/don't think he's a PL player, blah blah blah

I'd prefer if we don't keep going round in circles. My fingers are getting tired.
17/05/2012, 2:05 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

He's the best CM in the Irish squad by a distance.

Thanks but thats not the question I asked.
17/05/2012, 2:10 PM
DeLorean

I don't have an all stats must die mantra and find some stats as interesting as the next guy. I just don't think the stats provided about Gibson mean anything, certainly not the ones dating back to his United days but I would take slightly more notice of the more recent Everton ones which involve a good few games I haven't seen.

You are completely 100% wrong in thinking that is why I put up the stat about Gerrard but I can see why you would think that. It was just a recent stat I had heard and wanted to be as 'fun' as you.
17/05/2012, 2:14 PM
paul_oshea

If its any consolation DeLorean, and I am the authority, I would side with you on this.

Unless of course the acturial side of things comes into play with pensions and insurances and then, well, No :D
17/05/2012, 2:25 PM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Thanks but thats not the question I asked.

I watch mostly english football and some european stuff so to try to answer your question would be absurd.
17/05/2012, 2:25 PM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I don't have an all stats must die mantra and find some stats as interesting as the next guy. I just don't think the stats provided about Gibson mean anything, certainly not the ones dating back to his United days but I would take slightly more notice of the more recent Everton ones which involve a good few games I haven't seen.

You are completely 100% wrong in thinking that is why I put up the stat about Gerrard but I can see why you would think that. It was just a recent stat I had heard and wanted to be as 'fun' as you.

So what relevance does it have to this thread. Absolutely none. OK then.
17/05/2012, 2:27 PM
paul_oshea

Your methods of deflection are truly laughable.

He is an average, or slightly above average, Premiership midfielder at best then.

I do feel though if he was given a good root up the hole he could be a serious midfielder.
17/05/2012, 2:28 PM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I don't have an all stats must die mantra and find some stats as interesting as the next guy. I just don't think the stats provided about Gibson mean anything, certainly not the ones dating back to his United days but I would take slightly more notice of the more recent Everton ones which involve a good few games I haven't seen.

You are completely 100% wrong in thinking that is why I put up the stat about Gerrard but I can see why you would think that. It was just a recent stat I had heard and wanted to be as 'fun' as you.

The stats mean what they mean. They are a bunch of numbers describing events that have occurred. You can take from them what you like. Why do I feel as though I am repeating myself? Maybe you need to read through the thread?
17/05/2012, 2:31 PM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

So what relevance does it have to this thread. Absolutely none. OK then.

Apologies for that. I thought I was somewhere else
17/05/2012, 2:32 PM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Your methods of deflection are truly laughable.

He is an average, or slightly above average, Premiership midfielder at best then.

I do feel though if he was given a good root up the hole he could be a serious midfielder.

Ask a proper question if you want a proper answer. Accusing someone of deflection when they haven't is more of a sign of deflecting. No? If he's so average then why has he played in CL QF, SF and won LC's and played in FA Cup semi's and won a PL medal and played for the 7th best team in England.

If he's so average then what the hell does that make our other players?
17/05/2012, 2:36 PM
paul_oshea

Ok, you told me you dont watch much football, so you dont have much to compare to, ill take from that you dont really know what you are talking about then.
17/05/2012, 2:40 PM
Irwin3

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Ok, you told me you dont watch much football, so you dont have much to compare to, ill take from that you dont really know what you are talking about then.

You're lack of comprehension is making you out to be a bit of an idiot and it is not worth bothering with you.

You: Where do you rank Gibson in world football.

Me: To answer that would be absurd since I mostly watch english and european football

YOU'RE CONCLUSION - That guy doesn't watch much football and doesn't know what he's talking about.

I'll leave you to you idiocy. Take care.
17/05/2012, 2:45 PM
DeLorean

You're not half as fun as your stats
17/05/2012, 2:46 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

I'll leave you to you idiocy. Take care.

Well thats not lost on me anyway!! :D

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