Three senior caps though? That changes the moral equation, surely?
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Three senior caps though? That changes the moral equation, surely?
A little bit, maybe.
But we called him up initially as a kid and Ireland wasn't even close to being considered his first nationality.
His father certainly would have disagree with that sentiment...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
Irish-born Dennis Cirkin has left Spurs to join Sunderland
I'd be surprised if Cirkin ends up being an England player in the long run. But probably more likely to play for Latvia than for us.
This has probably been asked before, but is Todd Cantwell eligible?
I’d say it’s probably 55% Latvia, 30% ireland, 15% EnglandQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Not that I know of, is there any reason why he would be?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Anyone know the situation with Val Adeokum, the kid that just moved from Dundalk to Brentford?
A quick look at his Instagram shows him in Ireland and Nigeria kits, Nigeria seems to be more recent for him.
Could be wrong but wasn’t he included in the u18/19 camp that took place during the summer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Where do we get these bell ends from!
Just decide and f""k off
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-40783284.html
Have not heard about this guy in a while => https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57008742 / Marcus McGuane
Knocked out of the league cup on Tuesday night.
Was it ever clarified if the new rules make him eligible?
Classic case of a silly decision at 16 effectively ending his international career.
They don't, he's gone - couldn't play for us now if he wanted to and, to be honest, he's not good enough anyway.
He's played competitively for two underage teams, so I think that means he's tied to England?Quote:
Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut
Yeah that was the case before the rule change but with all these funky rules for under 21 year olds I wasn't sure any more!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Sure you can play three competitive games for the seniors and still leg it if you are u21.... its ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Mad how these things work out. I was definitely disappointed when he plumped for England and then moved from Arsenal to Barcelona. Now he's sharing a team with Luke McNally and Mark Sykes who came through the set ups of Drogheda/Pats and Glenavon. It would be ironic and could well be likely for Sykes and McNally to get a senior cap having had little experience for Ireland at underage level (for differing reasons but maybe Sykes wouldn't have got in anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
To be fair he was excellent when he played in the euro under 17s for us a year out of his age group. He hadn't been involved for us before that and was somewhat parachuted into that squad https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/moha...onships-finals . Disappointing to see number of players who didn't make it as professional s .Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Paddy Bamford has been called up by England at long, long, long last.
Paddy Bamford called up to the English squad for the first time.
*cries*
Deserved . He has always behaved well towards us to be fair he could easily have taken more underage caps or even senior caps like rice. As far as I can remember he only played one under 18 friendly for usQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Absolutely. No ill will at all. Stuck to his guns and what he believed in. Didn't eff us around.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Would've been a difference maker for us though. Him and Grealish... oof, it hurts.
Ah yeah, I agree with ye. Hats off to this lad. And I believe the connection is similar to Rice in that he has a parent born to Irish parents and his mother's family would support Ireland. Rice's old man was supposed to be the same. Best of luck to Bamford.
Yeah top lad and very good player. Helps prove you don't need lightening pace if you have other good attributes smart lad by all accounts accepted to oxford and obviously had the emotional intelligence to navigate the dual eligibility issue. I'm sure he still loves his Irish grandparents just knew he didn't feel irishQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Moved to Sunderland and playing there. The trouble we've had this week suggests a left back playing in League 1, for a club who are too big to be there, would be an asset to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Aiden O'Brien should be told to get in his ear every time he can about coming over to us.
After playing tonight, Conor Bradley is now 1 appearance away from being tied to N.Iron forever. If I were Stephen Kenny I'd make one last attempt at convincing him. At 18, he could be a guy who never makes it, but equally he could be someone who goes right to the top of the game. I'd hope like James McClean, Shane Duffy, Mark Sykes, Darron Gibson, Marc Wilson, Michael Duffy and Aaron McEneff that in his heart of hearts, he wants to play for Ireland...
At this moment in time he is playing for a better team with a more realistic prospect of qualifying for major tournaments. I don’t think any player with a choice of allegiance will choose us as long as Kenny is there. Maybe a dual wualified Andoran?
We literally had the boy from Derry move across a few weeks ago didn’t we?? He was with the under 21s in Lux but not in the match day squad
You have posted in the past that we (FAI) should not pick NI born players. And you have stated affinity to the North's team.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
If the kid wants to play for us that's all well and good. It's up to him to make that known, however.
Former Scotland underage player Joel Bagan made his debut for the U21s as recently as this week, Sammy Szmodics was called into the senior squad in June.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Mark Sykes moved after speaking / meeting with Kenny.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
A decision he made himself before talking to Kenny is my understanding. Not a case of meeting up for a cappuccino and a chat.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Cappuccino or no Cappuccino my good man, SK didn't put him off is the thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Sure, but your initial comment implied Kenny/ the FAI poached the player. As there was no cappuccino and chat, no attempted poaching was executed. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Christ that shows a hell of a lack of understanding of a lot of people in the norths allegiances. It really doesn’t matter who is the better team plenty of us would have no more affiliation to the IFA team if they won the world cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I have an affinity with both teams but would prefer to see one. The point was that NI are currently doing better and that might influence the choices made by those with dual eligibility. I thought the point was fairly clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I think I’m pretty well informed about the complex allegiances of people from / in NI. The fact is that many players from a ‘nationalist’ background have played for NI for many different reasons. Prospects of getting caps or getting to tournaments are probably material considerations. At the minute it might be a relevant factor given the team’s respective performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
It feels like Ireland win some and lose some on this - particularly over the past 20 years - and have done okay overall.
I hope for his sake that Bradley turns out to be a good player. Best of luck to him. But I remember another full back from the North that came through the Liverpool academy that we cried out for on here- Ryan McLaughlin. He's spending more time on a boxing podcast than football these days. Rory Donnelly was another we hoped would switch when he refused an NI under 21 call up but he's probably better known for his off field "exploits" too.
Even when I look at the NI squads of late and I see Gavin Whyte, Paul Smyth, Conor Hazard and Shayne Lavery. I would have been one bandying names of the likes of these lads about but I don't think any of them would add anything to our present squad. Maybe the latter pair could reach the level.
And going back to Euro 2016, the North had Michael McGovern, Shane Ferguson, Chris Baird and Niall McGinn and those names don't stir up wistful feelings in me.
On the other hand, I'm loving Shane Duffy and James McClean and their passion and bravery when playing for us. Duffy booting the ball in the sky after our goal v Serbia. McClean giving his jersey to a young lad with a sign post match. I love the pair of them and am delighted they plumped for us.
You win some you lose some but lads like Duffy and McClean knew what they wanted, wholeheartedly pursued it and it has worked out well. Narrow-minded southerners like me ought to sit back and let nature takes it's course.