Is it legal to get married in some countries at 15.Quote:
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Is it legal to get married in some countries at 15.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
You volunteering there seanfhear? :p
Take one for the team and all that!
Over the hill
A lot of arranged marriages worked out just fine.
Still is in north kildareQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Bundesliga 2 sensation Scott Fitzgerald Kennedy madre his international debut on Tuesday. Man of the match performance. His coach said was the best internacional debut ever for Canadá Nacional team. Played as a left side defender in a 3 at the back defence.
Well after Scotland new fiasco. Ireland should approach al irish eligible scottish born players. They are so lame! I am in the end of the world un a middle of pandemia and the tv news channels made fun of Scotland in the Eurocopa. Waited 22 years for this fiasco!!!
Not eligible or playing anymore but I'm reading Pat Nevin's book at the moment and there's a funny little anecdote about Ireland going to Hampden Park for a Euro 1988 qualifier and beating Scotland 1-0, and Scotland's "chances of qualification were just about scuppered there and then."
Nevin, who tells a lot of stories about his father's diligently travelling to all his matches from Glasgow to London when he was at Chelsea, tells us that his family originated in Ireland having come "over to Scotland from County Kildare in Ireland just two generations before and they still feel themselves to be, at the very least, partly Irish."
Pat is coming out of the stadium after the match and his old man is waiting for him and "didn't seem particularly unhappy at all." Pat asks him if he was supporting Ireland and "with your own son playing for Scotland?"
"Not... As... Such, but if you were going to lose to anyone, then that is who to lose to."
Yeah he was on "off the ball" one night a year or so ago absolutely delighted that he had finally gotten his Irish passport and talking about how much it meant to him.
Just wondering if Sean McGurk (18), born in Liverpool, attacking midfielder at Wigan and attracting Leeds Utd interest, has any Irish parent or grand-parent?
Rory Delap's son Finn has joined Burton's professional development side: https://www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/new...507-scholars2/
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FINN DELAP
Finn, the son of former Brewers midfielder Rory and brother of Manchester City striker Liam, plays centre-back and has been with our Academy for six months, joining following his release from Derby County.
“I’m looking forward to getting going in the league,” said Delap.
“I just love to play - it doesn’t matter what league, what level, I just want to play football.”
Will this turn out like the Keane brothers with the successful one going with England and the less successful one trying to settle for Ireland? I feel dirty even asking that but it could easily turn out like that.
I guess you could ask whether there's an issue with that. Young lad isn't good enough for England so plumps fo Ireland because his father was an Ireland player. You could swap "player" for "supporter" and maybe end up with Declan Rice.
Big piece in the Athletic about Rice and Grealish and their switch to England. Don't know if I'm capable of reading it...
The only thing grealish did wrong imo was accept the u21 award if he knew he wasnt committing to IrelandQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Rice used our flag as toilet paper imo
Yes and having read this piece, I'm a bit more inclined to agree with you. It feels like Grealish was a bit torn. From having chatted to lads his age from Birmingham, I know how strong the Irish community is there. I have seen him with a kid (potentially a nephew) on social media in the last year or so with the kid in a Kerry jersey. The people I have chatted to wouldn't be too fond of his dad either, probably down to his conduct on this matter. It does feel like Grealish was torn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
It doesn't feel like that with Rice. It feels like he was all in on our side and then all in on England's side. Remember his interview soon after switching. Didn't he refer to us as "they" and that he had played for "their underage teams" or something similar?
I heard Ken Earley speaking about him recently. He said he was a crowd pleaser and seems to be willing to say anything to please his audience. I would pose an example- the media love the narrative about him and "Mace" Mount being best mates. It's ideal really on lots of fronts, not least because it is easy fuel to the Chelsea speculation fire. But Rice absolutely and utterly laps it up and pushes it further. He's constantly speaking about him. Constantly posing for pictures, even after matches and on field. It's a little weird from a 22 year old.
Overall, I feel as though Grealish had more of an affinity towards us. Bringing his granny from Sneem to that ceremony for the under 21 award was, in hindsight, maybe a little indicative? I mean, was it a day out for Gran in Ireland to make her proud before he switched to England? Anyway, he was from an Irish community. Got opportunities with us underage etc.
Rice might not have had as much of an Irish connection or have been part of an Irish community, although I have read that his dad was disappointed with the decision. It's hard to know. But he really did jump and show no remorse. I really wish he'd behave with a little more respect towards us.
Dan McDonnell has a piece in the Indo on Rice which is behind a paywall: https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-40623104.html
Rice just seems like a total emptyhead to be honest. If he wasnt a player he'd be part of the Engerland brigade that bring so much joy to every away venue they visit
Can't help thinking that Rice and Grealish made the correct choice. The events of today at Wembley v Denmark would appear to back up that decision. However, had it been back in the Charlton era they probably would have opted for the land of their forefathers. It's all about success or chances of to be more precise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Also FIFA and UEFA have by subtle changes made it almost certain that big countries will almost certainly qualify for tournaments and also have a very good chance of getting out of the groups at tournaments. If you think you are good enough to get in the squads of the bigger / stronger nations then its a bit of a no-brainer. Also England are now actively making these opportunities very obvious to players and courting players that they might have once said work away lads. Now if England think their is even a chance you might be good enough they really make it clear to players that they are valued and wanted. Also there is a lot of money to be made by players through advertising etc in selling in to a market of nearly 60 million potential English supporters. The clubs also know that there is a premium value of having English international players to sell or market especially successful English international players.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
You could certainly argue that but for every Rice or Grealish, there’s more than one Bamford (Ireland U18), Michael Keane (Ireland U19) or Marcus McGuane (Ireland u17) who didn’t make the squad...Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
And that is where the issue lies- Rice (Senior) and Grealish (Under 21). They both played to a higher level with us and were able to bide their time until they knew and were told by Hodgson and Southgate that they were good enough to make the England senior squad. The three you have referenced jumped early and went all in on England so fair play to them I say!
Isn't McGuane eligible for us now because of this rule change? Not that I'd like to see it.
No, McGuane is still ineligible for us. Has played competitively for both countries and used his switch so cannot switch back again. He's English now whether he wants to be or not.
I think the opinion on whether Rice and Grealish made the correct choice depends on your view on international football and I think that view has changed down the generations. There seems to be a view that winning things and playing tournaments should be the ambition, whereas other people think the honour of representing your country is the ultimate. I am firmly in the latter. I dont think either player had any idea of the strength of feeling involved and probably would never have pulled on the green jersey if they had an idea of the fall out. 10 or 20 years from now I think players will be able to switch countries on a regular basis and play for the nation whose league they play in and this will all be forgotten about.
Signed for Leeds today, looking at the photo on the announcement, he *has* to be IrishQuote:
Originally Posted by Demesne Lad
https://www.leedsunited.com/news/tea...s-leeds-united
Declan Rice is phony, badge-kissing scum.
From their point of view I'm sure they are delighted they made the change. Hard to argue that they were wrong from a football point of view considering that they are now in a final. I just cant stand either of them for how they both handled the switch. Both had a long will they/wont they situation that dragged on for far too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
As shown by other countries in recent years if you have 1 or 2 top class players in an international team it can have a huge effect. I do believe that if they had stayed with us they would have made a massive impact and gone on to be legends in Ireland like the Houghtons and McAteers before them. They could have had massive nights for us in green.
Its impossible for me to wish them well in the final and I'm praying that Italy hammer them.
There are different amounts of bad blood and grudges held against those two, and for once the sporting side of things is as much a reason to dislike England as any historical stuff, but I think most of us feel like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Slightly off topic! but I was just asked a great question by my long suffering secretary
"Who do you hate more Thierry Henry or Declan Rice" ? I couldn't decide
Henry surely?
Declan Rice scenarios are going to happen while we have such a big focus on foreign-born 2/3G players who don't necessarily feel all that Irish.
Henry's an out-and-out cheating *******.
Would an Irish player have gone up to the referee and told the ref to cancel the goal if the situation was reversed ? What would most Irish people have thought of an Irish player in that situation especially if Ireland went out of the World Cup later in the game / penalties ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I think to be fair must Irish People, would not have been happy with one of our guys doing that and knocking a smaller country out
I can testify that me and my mates were very unhappy when Robbie Keane dived to get a peno against Russia in 2010 ( we still lost 2-3), that was cheating too
If an Irish player had deliberately twice handled the ball, he would also be an out-and-out cheating *******.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
I'm more than happy to be consistent here. For me, that's a lot worse than an English person deciding he's English.
Declan Rice.
The anger with TH was temporary; the contempt for Declan Rice is permanent. TH did what it took in the heat of a game to put us to the sword; Declan Rice took our international caps and p!ssed all over them in a series of calculated and thought out steps. No decency, no honour. He is a self-serving 7 star of the highest order.
Has Henry shown remorse? I have a notion he has shown a little. Declan Rice has shown zero. He disgusts me. Remember when he said something along the lines of "yeah, I played underage for them."
I was never angry with Henry just hugely disappointed and frustrated. And he's just tried to play the humble honest straight guy before and since. He's conniving and a cheat. He's just as bad as Declan Rice. I think rice didn't realise he had a choice, Henry did.
Rice doesn't really figure in my thinking bar wanting him to lose. Henry actually denied us a chance at a World Cup and a potentially huge moment for the country. No contest.
Why does there have to be a hierarchy? They're different kinds of loathsome.
Rice easily.
Rice for me. It’s a far fresher wound...
I don't like Rice, belting out GSTQ at the top of his lungs etc, just seems a try hard show.
However, we picked a foreign boy for our underage teams. He's English with some Irish blood. But English first. Always a chance he would change his mind in the future. Only a teenage boy when we called him up ffs. That hardly makes him irreconcilably Irish. He had to take the call up when it was offered to him. And I don't blame him for switching to his native land later on when he turned out, against all the odds to be good enough for them.