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31/01/2008, 10:31 AM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I can't see Venables or Brady being (re)employed as a club manager. Coppell maybe - I do think he may be tired of it now but a spell in international management would make him very marketable and it may appeal again.

Ideal scenario would be having an Irish no. 2 like Brady who could take the reigns if necessary if the new guy leaves.

exactly, as i said before, if we are prioritising finding a candidate that will be looking to be with us in the long haul then we are going to be stuck with mediocrity like Brady, Venebles, Staunton etc....
Many posters (including myself) have been going on a while about getting someone with the experience and credentials to get us to the world cup. If (and big IF!) we get the right man to do the job for us then we've got to face the facts that he may jump ship after 2 years if he gets a big premiership offer.

I know which one I'd prefer....
31/01/2008, 11:04 AM
cheifo

Dr Ogba there is no way you can put Venables and Staunton in the same bracket.:rolleyes:Did Stan manage Barcelona,Engerland to the Euro semis,Spuds to the cup?He has his faults but we aint gonna get the Gus Hiddinks of this world.
31/01/2008, 11:13 AM
brine3

Lippi only managed Italy for two years and Big Phil only managed Brazil for two years. They didn't do too bad. What's the obsession with long term? We're a small country and shouldn't think twice if a manager like Co Adriaanse wants the job.

Due to the board environment / fan pressure Porto isn't a job where managers hang around anyway, even Mourinho was only there for two seasons.
31/01/2008, 1:03 PM
mackannovic

How much are Houghton, Givens and Howe on a week? Surely the longer this goes on, the more they earn the sneaky so and sos.
31/01/2008, 2:00 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by mackannovic

How much are Houghton, Givens and Howe on a week? Surely the longer this goes on, the more they earn the sneaky so and sos.

I'd assume they were given a set wage for doing the job irrespective of how long the process takes. If not then it was an amazing oversight on the FAI's part.
31/01/2008, 2:09 PM
colster

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

I'd assume they were given a set wage for doing the job irrespective of how long the process takes. If not then it was an amazing oversight on the FAI's part.

Sounds Reasonable. Probably have a bonus attached as well if the new manager succeeds.
31/01/2008, 2:21 PM
Deckydee

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Originally Posted by cheifo

Dr Ogba there is no way you can put Venables and Staunton in the same bracket.:rolleyes:Did Stan manage Barcelona,Engerland to the Euro semis,Spuds to the cup?He has his faults but we aint gonna get the Gus Hiddinks of this world.

Sorry to argue chiefo but I have to agree with Dunphy when he said that Engerlands Euro 96 was a complete fluke.
31/01/2008, 2:26 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by colster

Sounds Reasonable. Probably have a bonus attached as well if the new manager succeeds.

Don't forget that sweet, sweet expense account.
31/01/2008, 2:39 PM
cavan_fan

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Originally Posted by Deckydee

Sorry to argue chiefo but I have to agree with Dunphy when he said that Engerlands Euro 96 was a complete fluke.

B*ll*ks. If you mean they were lucky then yes they were, but then the same could be said for most teams who do relatively well. You cant just write off his achievements and say they dont count.

I've said it before if Venables was Italian we'd be falling over ourselves to have him (see Trapattoni).
31/01/2008, 2:52 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by cavan_fan

B*ll*ks. If you mean they were lucky then yes they were, but then the same could be said for most teams who do relatively well. You cant just write off his achievements and say they dont count.

I've said it before if Venables was Italian we'd be falling over ourselves to have him (see Trapattoni).

Trapattoni has been successful in the last 10 years. Has Venables? He's won two trophies in his 32 year managerial career.
31/01/2008, 4:12 PM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by cavan_fan

B*ll*ks. If you mean they were lucky then yes they were, but then the same could be said for most teams who do relatively well. You cant just write off his achievements and say they dont count.

I've said it before if Venables was Italian we'd be falling over ourselves to have him (see Trapattoni).

Boll0x we would, 9 league titles plays one for a start.
31/01/2008, 4:26 PM
cheifo

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Originally Posted by Deckydee

Sorry to argue chiefo but I have to agree with Dunphy when he said that Engerlands Euro 96 was a complete fluke.

No probs DeckyDee.From what I remember they were lucky against Spain but looked a well organised outfit against Germayin the s/f.I dont paticularly take to Venables persona but players who have played under him talk about his coaching with great respect.I just think we are losing perspective.There is no way you can equate Stans glorious stint with Walsalls reserves with Venables experience.
31/01/2008, 4:53 PM
Noelys Guitar

I was living in Holland in 96 and the Dutch media and fans I met said England should have won the tournament. They were very impressed with the way England played. Unlucky rather than lucky was the prevailing view.
31/01/2008, 6:27 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by cavan_fan

B*ll*ks. If you mean they were lucky then yes they were, but then the same could be said for most teams who do relatively well. You cant just write off his achievements and say they dont count.

I've said it before if Venables was Italian we'd be falling over ourselves to have him (see Trapattoni).

I dont think El tel is that bad actually, and he is well respected as a coach,
but
In euro 96 they were very lucky, and spain with a more attacking manager would have bet them, and switzerlland and scotland had them under the cosh too, in a bad tournament
31/01/2008, 8:06 PM
kennedmc

One of the things I like about Venables is he has just turned 65 so I reckon we could get 3/4 campigns out of him if things go well.

THe likes of Alladryce - a good WC campaign and the PL clubs start sniffing around and he gone in a flash.
31/01/2008, 8:42 PM
brine3

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

I was living in Holland in 96 and the Dutch media and fans I met said England should have won the tournament. They were very impressed with the way England played. Unlucky rather than lucky was the prevailing view.

Nobody wants to admit they were thrashed 4-1 by an average side.
31/01/2008, 9:05 PM
Noelys Guitar

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Originally Posted by brine3

Nobody wants to admit they were thrashed 4-1 by an average side.

You are probably right. Plus the Dutch dislike of the Germans.
31/01/2008, 10:27 PM
craig7042

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

I was living in Holland in 96 and the Dutch media and fans I met said England should have won the tournament. They were very impressed with the way England played. Unlucky rather than lucky was the prevailing view.

I agree. I know England were at home that year, but there is no question in my mind that Venables had England playing the most positive, organised and attractive football I've ever seen them play at any tournament. The biggest problem in international football is motivating the team and in my view Venables did that with England brilliantly that year.

I'd feel very positive about him as potential manager. I find the "holier than thou" attitude quite ironic about his shady past. Since when did us Irish ever have a problem with politicians and leaders being less than perfect?
31/01/2008, 11:19 PM
eekers

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Originally Posted by craig7042

I agree. I know England were at home that year, but there is no question in my mind that Venables had England playing the most positive, organised and attractive football I've ever seen them play at any tournament. The biggest problem in international football is motivating the team and in my view Venables did that with England brilliantly that year.

I'd feel very positive about him as potential manager. I find the "holier than thou" attitude quite ironic about his shady past. Since when did us Irish ever have a problem with politicians and leaders being less than perfect?

the thing was when he was managing England he was behind it 100% he loved the job. he probably would of done it for nothing. since then, in most of the other managerial jobs he's had, he hasn't give them the same time or commitment as he did the England job. they usually take a back seat to his business commitments. Even when he was assistant to mcLaren he refused to give up his newspaper column through which he ended up alienating himself from mcLaren.

I'd have no problem with venables if he was taking the job on with 100% commitment but i (and most other people) cant help but think he'll go into it half heartedly again, and see it as a bit of an earner. Reports from when he was after the bulgarian job were that he wanted to take on the bulgarian job on the basis that he stayed in england and watched the bulgarian players on tv, and turned up only whenever there was a game on!!

So really its not about his "shady past". Its about the amount of time and energy he would put into the role.
31/01/2008, 11:50 PM
Bluebeard

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Originally Posted by eekers

Reports from when he was after the bulgarian job were that he wanted to take on the bulgarian job on the basis that he stayed in england and watched the bulgarian players on tv, and turned up only whenever there was a game on!!

You mean to say that it would be unlikely to see El Tel down at St. Colman's on a Tuesday night at a league cup game checking out the rupmours about Dav O'Neill being the next big thing? Or going to Stranolar (Harps will be thinking about moving on by the time there is an appointment made) for the "North West Derby" some bitter night in November on the off chance that Keith Foy might be lining out for the away team, as he has finally realised that it is several years since we had a regular left full. WHat kind of uncommitted manager is that?

Let's start the campaign here:

EL TEL, GO HELL
IF YOU DON'T GO TO THE E.L.!

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