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TheOneWhoKnocks
He (McGoldrick, not you) says he developed an interest in playing for Ireland when he explored his biological mother's background in the article I posted.
You've not answered the question. Do you accept that McGoldrick has had a connection to Ireland since he was a kid and thus had an emotional desire to play for us? The problem was that he didn't think he qualified until he traced his birth mother's family tree. You accepted that this was the case here. Are you now going back on that?
This is what he said to the Irish Sun before everything was sorted with the FAI:
"I knew there was an Irish link to the McGoldricks, but I had been adopted so I didn’t think that counted. I was only 17 when I was first asked and I didn’t know my background so I didn’t think I would be able to play for Ireland.
My adoptive mum treated me as if she was my real mum so I didn’t need another mother. But it was always in the back of my mind that I wanted to find out where I came from and I got in contact with my birth mum a few years ago and it went alright.
She mentioned that her dad was Irish. His surname was Howley and my birth mum’s name was Karen. She died a couple of years ago which is sad but I had gotten this interest to play for Ireland.
I would like to follow it through. I haven’t been in contact with anyone from the FAI. I just want to get the paperwork done – it is up to me to prove the link and then make myself available for selection.
My club football is the most important thing but I would love to play for Ireland. With Martin O’Neill and Roy Keane there, as well as a lot of good players, it would be great to be a part of that."
And this is what he said in the FAI video I posted above after the confirmation came through:
"I've got lots of Irish connections, but it's just there was this complicated situation of chasing it all together. For a long time, I've wanted to play for Ireland. Since I've been a kid, on the back of the programmes, I've always had the Irish sign. But it's like, actually getting the confirmation of it, I'm delighted that it's gone through now and I'm really, really excited to put on the jersey if I can."
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What Bamford has to do with it is that the discussion is currently about whether he is likely to play for Ireland or not. The discussion hasn't been about Arter, O'Dowda or Pilkington saying my country/the country/Ireland/Timbuktu for months and months. And you bringing it up is borderline trolling. There are plenty of times I was going back and forth with you and decided to leave it for my own sanity. I could go back and revive an argument that ended 9 months ago just to boost my ego but I have the self-awareness to see that would be completely absurd.
The Bamford discussion is a separate conversation in this thread. You raising it with me is a red herring. If you want my opinion, for what it's worth, I have no idea how likely it is that he might play for Ireland some day. I'd say it's only a possibility; not a probability.
The Arter/O'Dowda thing was first raised by you in this thread in mid-November; not "9 months ago" or "months and months" ago. Anyway, not that that should really matter if you were truly interested in sincere discussion and debate. I've taken up points and discussions with other posters that may be a few months old elsewhere on the forum. It's hardly trolling or absurd seeing as I've not been on for a while. I'm just adding my tuppence-worth to relevant discussions that stood out in particular, as I think I'm entitled to do, no? Discussion is fluid and you can have a few ongoing in a thread simultaneously; I think we're allowed to go back and forth to old points and new points, aren't we? What's the big issue? It's a discussion forum and some points you'd made in the thread jarred with me. Why not just discuss the matter rather than side-stepping it by making a big deal out of the fact your views have simply been challenged?
osarusan once posted this Ralph Waldo Emerson quote in another thread:
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted."
I've always liked it, but I think it's very fitting here.
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The "evidence" you provided for McClean wasn't very evident. But then someone comparing Anthony Pilkington's Irishness to James McClean and Robbie Keane's kind of speaks for itself anyway.
I said I was pretty certain I've heard McClean say "the country" and also provided two examples of McClean saying "this country". That was all. Anyhow, even if you wish to discount McClean, I've provided indisputable evidence of Robbie Keane, Shane Long and David Forde all using the phrase, so your point and the related presumption simply aren't valid.
Who's comparing Irishness? Strawman alert.
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That was in your first post since returning to the forum, yet I'm paranoid and playing the victim.
You're gas.
That was actually my eighth post since Friday night and that comment was in light of your prior contentious form (which I noticed hasn't changed much), but it was also meant somewhat light-heartedly, hence the smilie. Hardly paranoia or victim-playing on my part. :/
