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No flat cap ! (wink)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Big Sam has bought himself a ticket I see on the Second Captains podcast with a promise to make a passing delusion of our temporary passing delusion affliction & he clearly knows ( some ) of his audience.
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Originally Posted by LargeSamuel
https://www.balls.ie/football/sam-al...and-job-580842
The leopard isn't going to change his spots. If he's interested, I doubt we can afford not to consider him. I'm no fan of his, but he was good enough for England a few pints of wine ago, and we're not exactly offering Trapattoni money these days.
Hes now in a position where 500K a year for a retirement part time gig would be grand for him Im sure.... but please Jebus no!Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
don't think we can afford big Sam, even if we wanted him. he got paid more working 25 days last season (€23,280 per day) for leeds than Stephen Kenny got in a year (€1,479 per day). And had Big Sam been able to keep them up, he would have got an additional £3m on top.
He was getting £6m a year as Everton boss - and ended up being paid £9m for 6 months work.
Obviously the limit of about 50 days of work with players per year, as opposed to about 300 would suit him - he's mentioned in the past that he'd like an international job due to the lighter work load - but I imagine he's pretty content to be a well paid fire-fighter every second season. So I'd say he'd be looking for at least €2.5m a year across 2 campaigns, plus an additional €5m if he qualifies us.
Big Sam: "I've always been pragmatic in terms of how good are the players and we will suit a system or style for those players and play to their strengths, and try and cover their weaknesses"
I'm not making any comment on his suitability or otherwise for the ROI job, but in respect of the above, it is often overlooked that when SA was flying high with Bolton, including finishing 6th in the PL and qualifying them for Europe etc, he signed players like Fredi Bobic, Youri Djorkaeff, Jay-Jay Okocha, El Hadji Diouf and Nicolas Anelka - hardly Route One cloggers they.
Of course, these were signed with money which Bolton probably couldn't afford and when Chairman Phil Gartside got cold feet over SA's spending demands (SA was talking about qualifying for the Champions League!), there was only going to be one outcome.
Tony Mowbray anyone? No idea if he'd be interested but he's a very decent manager and man in my view.
So we have Lennon, Bruce & now Allardyce going public on the role, after nobody did early on. I think Kenny was dead man walking for so long, June in Athens at the very latest, there was an assumption this job was already filled maybe. Maybe after having a few ear to the ground chats they now don't think it is.
Quite a few of the players he brought in were on free transfers since they were out of contract, which meant the money saved from the transfer fee went on their wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Does Big Sam know that John Delaney isn't the head of the FAI anymore. Was probably hoping to have a chinwag with JD about their fondness for brown envelopes.
I wouldn't be totally opposed to sam. It could work.
Allarydce has worked 30 days in the last 2 years...I'm sure he's aware his days of multi million pound gigs are behind him. I can't believe im coming round to the idea of big sam. WTF is going on.
It's not a romantic idea, but I think we have the personnel to really suit a pragmatic big sam system. Build to be solid at the back, counter-attack -- bypass our weak midfield, aim to get plenty of direct balls in to Ferguson. Essentially, play to the strengths we have.
Don't know what I make of a name like that. Plenty Championship experience. Not sure of the style of play but can't remember anything remarkable from any of his club stints. Would I be wrong to conclude that he's a solid Championship manager that might do okay at international level and make us hard to beat, all the while having no Irish connection? I'm sure we could end up making a hire like that but it would be fairly underwhelming and the ticket office would be underwhelmed too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Not too familiar with Rowett's work, but he's won more games than he's lost at every club he's managed, and been almost constantly employed over the last decade. Clearly some competence there.
Mowbray?
Rowett's a capable manager, though not a big name. Would probably do a decent job. His only real managerial failure to date was at Stoke, every other team he's managed has performed well under him. I wouldn't worry about the ticket office, if we start winning games the doubters would come crawling back quickly enough.
He knew exactly how to pitch it didn't he, the snake oil salesman three card trickster that he is :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
Maybe that's what we need :hypnotized::hypnotized::hypnotized:Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
They aren't his strengths though. Here's a highlights reel to September.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
I think Big Sam has enough to work with there, to turn Evan in to a Big Man up front ! !
Jesus I couldnt imagine anything worse than just hoofing the ball constantly to Ferguson. Ferguson is a good enough footballer that Brighton play him as a 10 sometimes, and we are suggesting a "just get it up to the big man" policy.... We have a Rolls Royce in Evan and Allardyce would treat him like Massey FergusonQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Allardyce, Mowbray and Rowlett are all in the same mould as Chris Hughton - solid defensively and play to your strengths. Mowbray and Rowlett are effectively a poor man's version of Chris Hughton - good managerial careers without the experience in the PL or at international level. Allardyce is a different kettle of fish - he has vast experience in the PL - knows how to get the best out of a team. He is the one name that has come up that has a better track record than Chris Hughton - and he would have managed bigger clubs if it weren't for his alleged association with dodgy money stuff. The only question over Allardyce is whether he still has the stomach for management and would make the effort, rather than just collecting a pay cheque (and it would still be a question about how much he would expect to be paid).
He's going to know this isn't a payer, everyone knows the FAI are skint, yet he put his hat in the ring anyway. I think for him it might be about wanting to do well in an international job right under England's nose & that would be the motivation here, he was linked before too. For us it would effectively be an abandonment of the post MON / Mick II principles entirely, because one appointment did not work. So it's going to be interesting to see where the decision makers heads are at on this as he as good as said it'd be a rudimentary approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
What became increasingly obvious to me during Kenny's reign was the fact that there needs to be a level of practicality when it comes to a team with the quality of ours. A manager who can be flexible in his approach to squad management and game management based on the opposition. We never saw that from Kenny. He became welded to his well intended and preferred ideology at times when it simply was not practical. Rather than looking for the person who can take the next natural step in a shifted game philosophy, I would be looking for it to be someone who can take the best of what Kenny introduced, but not stick on it, instead bring some additional ideas and approaches to be implemented for various games - and then manage the game itself. The same issues we saw in Bulgaria on day 1, we were still seeing against Greece. Quick switch of side of play leaves us massively exposed. The long goal issue never really got addressed.
I think any of the managers on the current list, Sam Allardyce included, would be an improvement in results (which we now know matters most to a large section of fans) and will likely also tick a few of the other boxes above. None will be perfect.
Saying he's interested doesn't really pose any downside for him. He lets the market know he's open to work and maybe a benefactor comes forward willing to stump up his wages - that isn't beyond the realms of possibility given that he is a former England manager with a plethora of Premiership clubs on his CV.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
What exactly did Kenny introduce into our play? Was it the ambition to play a more progressive passing game that was wrong, or was it his inability to actually implement that ambition? I think he lacked the coaching and tactical ability to match his so-called philosophy. There are teams with similar playing resources to ourselves who pass more progressively, retain possession more efficiently and create more chances. Organisation doesn't mean reverting exclusively to a long ball approach. The biggest issue when watching Ireland is not the lack of technical ability, its the lack of movement, the slow ponderous tempo, the absence of passing options - the complete lack of a tactical plan and structure. This was only occasionally resolved when we had more experienced and competent coaches working with Kenny.
Allardyce strikes me as a manager who needs to work day in and day out with his players to get the best out of them in a system he devises.
Eileen Gleeson should be considered ~ ~ Considering her recent results.
^Uninspiring waffle. Thanks, but no thanks, Sambo. Next!Quote:
If you're playing a team that is so much better than you,
it will be about limited possession you've got
and how good is the defending
to try and get the ability to
score a goal and
win a game of football.
Well we might get a manager that knows our best X1. Kenny didn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by ltfc_2004
I agree. I’ll add another observation in there - as a person, it seemed like the job was way too big for him. While the passion was there, it seemed more of a stressor than something he was able to take in his stride. I don’t know how that would have translated pre game, half time, post game, in front of the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Back to your main points, it has to be about his in-game ability, where any manager actually earns his/her money. I’ll give Doherty and others the benefit of the doubt that preparation and training were of high quality in terms of his game “philosophy” and oppo analysis but it counts for nothing when it’s 1 v 1 as a manager and your plan is failing on the pitch and you cannot adjust. Reminds me of the Mike Tyson quote - “everyone’s got a plan till they get punched in the face” - Kenny lost every bout (campaign), only landing a couple of jabs.
Maybe it’s true that there aren’t really (m)any gimmes in international football anymore and, if so, it proved to be a pretty unforgiving environment for a manager of Kenny’s ability.
It shouldn't be overlooked that Sam also played and managed in the LOI, he even manned the collection buckets. Could he maybe harbour a soft spot for Irish football, it did start him off on his long managerial career.
Or, maybe it was the bucket.
At least Sam will be endeavouring to, Not kick the bucket !Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrocket
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Originally Posted by punkrocket
Hang on a minute...What's Marcelo Bielsa up to these days?
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Originally Posted by punkrocket
He's the Uruguay manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrocket
Can bet that Big Sam was dipping his hand into the bucket for a few quid.
I'm deeply offended...
Yeah, there's an image we could have done without!!