Norway were turd tonight.
Norway were turd tonight.
You can hear the unrest around the stadium
No Seamie once again, well done Trap.
Just like Slovakia and Russia. We are not going anywhere under Trap IMO and that's not a kneejerk reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
All over. Only a friendly but still a poor defeat. Norway offered very little and still won.
The decrepit old fool has made a liar of you, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
reflects very poorly on us that they were that bad, and we were at home.
You're nuts if you think Russia are anywhere near that level. Slovakia maybe, but they have some gears. That crowd we're rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
McGeady back to his bad old tricks there in the last 5, aimless stuff.
We are totally one paced. Slow. No flippin tempo whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Olander
Bit unclear but when I said 'get his chance' I met some point in the near future as opposed to this match.
That's how Norway play, hold deep, rope a dope. And they did it well.
We were good in the first 20 of both halves. Just didn't maintain it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Disappointed that neither Wilson or Coleman got on the pitch. Does not make sense - wasting time with Whelan!
An average Slovakia could beat them in Russia. Slovenia knocked Russia out to qualify for the World Cup and they are average. Belgium beat them 2-0 tonight in Russia (friendly). Are they really that good? I personally don't think so. Anyway back to the match.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
First 20 minutes we looked really good then it became the usual. No idea why we didn't try Coleman, or switch anything round in the middle of the park. i know injuries restricted things but still..
i hope nobody comes on here and tries to defend the team selection, tactics and mindset of Trappatoni after that display. Overpaid, lazy has-been. What a waste of 90 minutes.
I hope the Nations cup games are alot better than this. Friendlies appear to becoming more and more less relevant for fans and players alike.
Did we learn anything significant tonight???!? Maybe that Fahey might be worth a go at centre midfield. Shane Long developing into a useful option up front. But anything more?? Particularly wouldve like to have some more of Foley and also Wilson and Coleman.
I'd be perfectly happy if we played negative stuff but did it well. We play negative stuff badly.
I actually don't think the central midfielders did all that badly (Whelan played a lot better than he did in previous games) but they were clearly gassed towards the end. Never mind Coleman, how Wilson didn't get on the pitch I do not know...
Where was he going to come on after O'Dea had been replaced by Foley? McGeady had already come on and Hunt and Treacy were the natural replacements for Duff.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Overall I'm disappointed with the result. We didn't play much in the second half compared to the first (tiredness?). Walters did not impress me and McGeady was useless. I thought Fahey's passing was quite poor at times, which is worrying for a player whose main strength in his repertoire is his passing.
I was impressed with Long - that kid's a terrier. Cunningham played well enough before he was caught out for the second goal and Whelan put himself about well.
On O'Dea; I wonder is this recurrent injury going to continue throughout his career? If so, it's a shame, since he'll never be considered a reliable option or backup for centre half - something we desperately need. I was also puzzled as to why Trap didn't put Wilson in there.
Thought Cunningham did really well tonight and certainly is a viable option for LB.
A few individual good performances (JOSH, Long, Fahey in flashes) but tactically were too predictable and Trapattoni needs to show some flexibility. Tactics rather than individuals is the reason we lost.
O'Dea unfortunately isn't an option for future internationals.
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Originally Posted by czarner
I used to get channels from here a long while back, however as I don't understand Chinese I have no idea what I am doing,
but they did have some football on sometimes.
http://epg.tvsou.com/programys/TV_1/Channel_1/W4.htm
I expect there will be a torrent available, however it was not a great match, so you didn't miss much.
Cunningham was about the only good thing that came out of tonight's match.
Hunt was well off his game and possibly Coleman could have come on to the right and McGeady switch to the left.
Yep. Himself and Long i think
Long was excellent as well, JOSH made a great case for moving CB freeing up RB and - shoot me - I thought Whelan played well. But yeah other than that there's not much coming from tonight. Considering the opposition and some decent play in patches, this friendly defeat is more irritating than most. I guess at least we played quite well in periods but out we drop intensity so easily. Frustrating.
Was thinking that too, but Trap doesn't appear to consider him a winger. Either that or he didn't trust him enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
We already know Josh can play at CH, he doesn't have to make a case for that. It's up to a RB to come on and make a case so Josh can be in the centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
I thought Josh was sloppy at times. Definite sloppy pass which led to their 2nd goal. He is not made out to be the main man at CH, but best choice with Dunne
But this was the time to find out, that's is what friendlies are for, now he has learned nothing about what he can doQuote:
Originally Posted by Predator
in a green shirt.
Would you say that Coleman is ahead of Foley for the right back spot? Or ahead of McGeady or Hunt for the spot on the wing? I would have liked Coleman to come on, but the circumstances dictated that Trapattoni play it safe as it were, by sticking with his more experienced heads. He probably felt that having Cunningham, and Coleman in a defence with O'Shea and Kelly in the middle would have been too inexperienced. Saying that, if Trap had put Wilson in CB he could have replaced Kelly with Coleman later on in the game. Or alternatively, he could have stuck Coleman on for Duff and put McGeady out on the left, but Trap has said that he doesn't see Coleman as a winger. Strange enough.
I think you're underestimating how much Trap rates Sledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Only got seeing parts of the game out of one eye (moving house next week), but I am glad to see Foley get a chance. He always shows up and letting Coleman move past him in the pecking order at this stage would have been a slap in the face. Coleman will certainly get a chance, and being around the squad will benefit him tremendously. Hopefully this means the end of McShane.
Wilson not getting on beggers belief. What on earth is there left to learn about Glenn Whelan (not knocking him for a second, he's a super player, but what if something happens to him).
backtowalsall,
Irrationally I dislike Foley due to his "I deserve to be in that team" comments from last year. However one can't argue that he has seen plenty of game time for Wolves this season and he deserved a go. I did feel that he always tucked in though and left the Norwegian too much space.Like everyone else, the performance of Cunningham was the standout for me. Worrying the number of times we were caught with a flat ball down the middle though. Can't see O'Dea being part of the centre of defence anytime soon.
I thought Fahey and Whelan were much too static in the first half, though Fahey did improve and look to dictate it a bit more in the second. I thought Hunty was a shadow of his former self when he came on, he didn't appear to have that electric pace over a couple of yards that we would have seen from him in the past. Lawerence was Lawerence, Duffer was lively in the first and then tired. I thought McGeady was a threat at times, and then as frustrating as normal at times.
Long did well but faded badly in the second as the game wore on. Dunno what to make of Walters, a decent bustling striker with the odd nice touch. But will he ever be anything more than a Doyle understudy. Time will tell.
It would have been nice not to lose it, but I'll not be throwing any toys out of the pram over this one.
complete waste of time.. very frustrating. . traps just goin through the motions. id say he has his retirement date set in his head and couldnt give a fiddlers about bringin players in for the future.
what did we learn? long can play as well as he did last month. mcgaeady can still do stepovers. hunt still needs a haircut.
in fairness was glad to see fahey offer something different in the centre, but that wouldnt of happened had green been fit
cunningham did well , but how he merits a place and coleman doesn't is beyond me. and if trap doesn't see coleman as a winger he obviously just doesn't watch the club matches. weather it's his best position i don't know, but he's prooved he can do a good job there
Didn't see a second of the game but it sounds like i should be happy about that.
Gun to your head, if you had to say right now at this second, do we qualify for Euro 2012. Yes or no.
Don't think soQuote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
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Originally Posted by Predator
Trap doesn't see Coleman as a winger - Has he ever been to watch him play? No. Coleman has been the only stand out Irish player in the premiership this season, making headline after headline, oddly enough playing as a winger.
Trap definitely doesn't see Ciaran Clark as a defensive midfielder, he is a centre back period he tells us - Has he ever even seen him in the flesh? No. Funny that Houillier an accomplished manager who works with him day in and day out feels he can play as an accomplished defensive midfielder.
Is Trap an absolute out and out bluffer? Yes.
Headline after headline? Surely that's hyperbole? He's played 11 games out of 13 in the Premiership, 4 of which were from the bench and he has played well. At the same time he has had the odd moment where it's obvious that he's still very much a raw talent and Moyes has indicated that Coleman is not the long-term answer to their right wing problem - he's filling in for the injured Leon Osman. But all of a sudden he's the new Gareth Bale (another player whose brief magnificence has been overblown in my opinion). I hope Coleman keeps up his good work and I'd love for him to become a top player for Ireland, but I can see why Trap didn't put him on. I don't know whether or not Trap has seen him in the flesh, but I'd guess that his scouts and coaches have and if not, I hope that he has at least seen footage. Either way, he's seen him twice now in training, so he's in a better place to make the judgement than you are or I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Trap said that we needed defenders and not midfielders, hinting that he would rather Clark played defence.Quote:
Trap definitely doesn't see Ciaran Clark as a defensive midfielder, he is a centre back period he tells us - Has he ever even seen him in the flesh? No. Funny that Houillier an accomplished manager who works with him day in and day out feels he can play as an accomplished defensive midfielder.
Is Trap an absolute out and out bluffer? Yes.
I almost think that Trapattoni's English makes him seem less clued in, but I have no doubt that he is.
Playing Clark at DM was a gamble which worked. If he's a long term DM or not remains to be seen - his CB potential, the position he's played in all his life, is far clearer. Bit of a theatrical comment considering Trap merely saw him as CB long term. If Clark proves a DM option I'm sure everyone, manager included, would be very happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Earlier, in response to outrage over Coleman not getting on, I said:
Seems I wasn't far wrong. Trap values balance and consistency; when asked about it, Trap said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
“In this moment we had a good balance on the pitch. I thought we had changed many situations. The draw satisfied us because in the second half we played well.
“I wish to focus on the team,” he added when pressed again.
“I could also have left out Duff but it’s important on the pitch to have a team with balance. It’s not easy in two days to change a player’s habit. We can play with (Keith) Treacy or Coleman and another team and you could lose two or three-nil."