Election 2007

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

What in the name of god are you talking about? I was talking about an average not a distribution. If you want to come to me with a frequency distribution graph detailing where the bulk of irish people's incomes are.

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Also, what you cannot discount is that whether or not 44k sounds inflated, we're still higher than any other country. It is this comparison, or rather, the comparison to where we were, that we have to make to decide whether or not we're better off as a people than we were.

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Is a ridiculous argument

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Er, no. Well, I work with 5 of them and 3 plan on staying while the other two want to move to London as they miss "the big city". They have to wait til the male in the couple gets his degree here.

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In a way I'm not surprised, shur you can't see buildings by the docks or hotels or anything either :rolleyes:

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They'll pay to teach you and pay to house you for college

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Off €140 a month??

It's not an equitable system and it's not free. My family haven't a pot to pi$$ in and I'm offered that to get me through college??

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Go to bed. Between your drivel about Limerick, your drivel about the economy (If you're an actual economics student it worries me) and your drivel about immigrant workers, the last two pages of contributions by you have been, well, drivel. I only wish it was the middle of the day so there were more people around to point and laugh at you, but hey the thread will still be here tomorrow right??

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Originally Posted by jebus

Much like the 44k per year per person your were quoting as a reason to re-elect Fianna Fail hardly represents the average person in Ireland

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44k DOLLARS

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There's that famous Cork wit. Seriously though, you said a few posts back that you're going with the Socialist Party this year right? Judging by the difference in quality between your points and our resident socialist, BohsPartison, I'll assume you are going to vote for the Socialists because a pretty girl handed you a flyer one day. Am I right?

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No, although I do find Mick Barry's cuddly bald head so darn cute.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

How long before Gavin tries to say he was on a wind up? Oh dear oh dear oh dear

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See even Dodge can see you're being slaughtered

And Dodge hates us, so he does :p :D

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

44k DOLLARS

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So your mother is being paid E32,360 a year?

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

This sonny:
Is a ridiculous argument

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How is "we're better off than anyone else" a ridiculous argument? Its got nothing to do with wealth distribution :confused:

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Off €140 a month??

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No, all free.

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It's not an equitable system and it's not free. My family haven't a pot to pi$$ in and I'm offered that to get me through college??

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No, you're offered that to attend college, which is a privellage and something only a drastic figure like 3% of the world gets to do. If you want them to feed you, as you said, go on the dole.

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Originally Posted by jebus

So your mother is being paid E32,360 a year?

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:rolleyes: No, but then my mother isnt John Doe, the average worker in Ireland. For a start, she only works 20 hours a week, she's only done her Intermediate, and she was out of the work force for the majority of her adult life raising a family.

John Doe, the average Irish worker, IS earning E32,260 per year, whether or not you'll ever see him walking down the street.

Its that other guy, Joe Smith, the guy at the peak of the wealth distribution chart, you'd probably recognise. He's better off than he was before our country dragged itself out of the third world. He probably knows John Doe, doesnt think he's a snob.

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

:rolleyes: No, but then my mother isnt John Doe, the average worker in Ireland. For a start, she only works 20 hours a week, she's only done her Intermediate, and she was out of the work force for the majority of her adult life raising a family.

John Doe, the average Irish worker, IS earning E32,260 per year, whether or not you'll ever see him walking down the street.

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Ask your mother to ask her john doe full time mates at Dunnes if they are on E32,260 a year, or call in to our local centra and ask the girls in there if they are, then take a trip into town and ask any of the HMV workers if they are, and then proceed to work through Patricks St, asking all the counter staff in all the stores if they are on that money. Then come back here and tell me if your average joe is on E33,260, then you can apologise for taking up so much of my time with your nonsense

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

How is "we're better off than anyone else" a ridiculous argument? Its got nothing to do with wealth distribution :confused:

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Yeah, you've looked confused for ages son, no need for the smiley.

BTW, the bit in bold is (incredibly) an even stupider argument then the one I was quoting from you before so think I'll use that from now on

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No, all free.

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Really. Housing is free in college?? News to me sunshine

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No, you're offered that to attend college, which is a privellage and something only a drastic figure like 3% of the world gets to do. If you want them to feed you, as you said, go on the dole

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There you have it folks. College in this wonderful country where "we're better off than anyone else" is still a privelledge to be given out to those who can afford it rather than those who are of the ability to do it well. Suppose it figures when GZ is just a few short weeks from stumbling his way to an economics degree

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Go To Bed man

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Originally Posted by jebus

Ask your mother to ask her john doe full time mates at Dunnes if they are on E32,260 a year, or call in to our local centra and ask the girls in there if they are, then take a trip into town and ask any of the HMV workers if they are, and then proceed to work through Patricks St, asking all the counter staff in all the stores if they are on that money. Then come back here and tell me if your average joe is on E33,260, then you can apologise for taking up so much of my time with your nonsense

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Is John Doe, on average, a till operator, or counter staff? Or are they the foreigners stacking shelves in Dunnes? or the teenager earning pocket money in centra? How old are you, if you don't mind me asking jebus, only I'm concerned as to what kind of jobs people have these days. The only reason the people listed above have those jobs, is because the others are out earning, on average, a little more than E32260 a year to spend on food, newspapers, cds and the other stuff on patricks street. If they weren't, they'd be doing (far less) of those jobs, themselves.

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Yeah, you've looked confused for ages son, no need for the smiley.

BTW, the bit in bold is (incredibly) an even stupider argument then the one I was quoting from you before so think I'll use that from now on

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Purchasing Power per capita is the best indication of a nation's wealth. According to it, we're the best off medium-to-large nation in the world. What is stupid about that?

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Really. Housing is free in college??

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If you need it, I think the exculsion zone is 20 miles or something.

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There you have it folks. College in this wonderful country where "we're better off than anyone else" is still a privelledge to be given out to those who can afford it rather than those who are of the ability to do it well. Suppose it figures when GZ is just a few short weeks from stumbling his way to an economics degree

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No, its "given out" to anyone that wants a go at it. They're just not going to bloody pay you to do it, though they'll do that in other courses, FETAC and FAS, etc.

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Go To Bed man

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I've noticed you're beginning to repeat things i've already explained you're wrong about, and you're beginning to repeat this too. If your arguments are crumbling, I suggest you pack it in rather than hoping I will.

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Is John Doe, on average, a till operator, or counter staff? Or are they the foreigners stacking shelves in Dunnes? or the teenager earning pocket money in centra? How old are you, if you don't mind me asking jebus, only I'm concerned as to what kind of jobs people have these days. The only reason the people listed above have those jobs, is because the others are out earning, on average, a little more than E32260 a year to spend on food, newspapers, cds and the other stuff on patricks street. If they weren't, they'd be doing (far less) of those jobs, themselves.

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Jesus Christ man, next you'll be calling them inferior, and then putting them in concentration camps. I'm 26 and have worked for HMV, GAME, XtraVision, and Virgin in my years, and none of them come close to paying what you say the average is. My girlfriend is a full time graphic designer on E24,000 a year, my brother is a full-time computer programmer on E29,000 a year, my friends salaries range from E16,000 a year (music store manager) to whatever the yearly dole salary is. Your perfect Ireland, where the Aryans earn E33,000 a year to spend on newspapers off the non-humans doesn't exist my friend

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

oh, to not have a worry beyond my pastimes.

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Ah Gav I shouldnt rise to your wumming again...but

The Irish language has nothing to do with a worry about my pastime. Its a matter of human rights, constitutional rights, employment, equality, education, family etc for me. Language issues come into pretty much every part of my life.

The current Government in its last term have done more for the language than any other since 1937 IMO. Thats the main reason FF will get my vote with Labour and the Greens getting a look in because of their Irish language stances too. Even SF, to their eternal credit made a big issue out of the Irish language in the recent deal up North when the DUP were saying that it could be a deal breaker

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Originally Posted by SÓC

Ah Gav I shouldnt rise to your wumming again...but

The Irish language has nothing to do with a worry about my pastime. Its a matter of human rights, constitutional rights, employment, equality, education, family etc for me. Language issues come into pretty much every part of my life.

The current Government in its last term have done more for the language than any other since 1937 IMO. Thats the main reason FF will get my vote with Labour and the Greens getting a look in because of their Irish language stances too. Even SF, to their eternal credit made a big issue out of the Irish language in the recent deal up North when the DUP were saying that it could be a deal breaker

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Fair play! I just think you have more pressing reasons to vote FF. You know I love slagging yourself and trina's "gift" :p

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Originally Posted by jebus

Jesus Christ man, next you'll be calling them inferior, and then putting them in concentration camps. I'm 26 and have worked for HMV, GAME, XtraVision, and Virgin in my years, and none of them come close to paying what you say the average is. My girlfriend is a full time graphic designer on E24,000 a year, my brother is a full-time computer programmer on E29,000 a year, my friends salaries range from E16,000 a year (music store manager) to whatever the yearly dole salary is. Your perfect Ireland, where the Aryans earn E33,000 a year to spend on newspapers off the non-humans doesn't exist my friend

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Look if you want me to say that your brother is "superior", in that he's providing a better skill value to his employers, ok. He is. He obviously comes fairly close to the E32k figure, enough perhaps to start bringing in to play just how far the average is skewed by millionaires and such and by the time he's forty he'll probably have passed it out.

By the way, his purchasing parity power is around E7k above the average in the European Union.

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Purchasing Power per capita is the best indication of a nation's wealth. According to it, we're the best off medium-to-large nation in the world. What is stupid about that?

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Jebus has dealt with this clownery elsewhere. You've been tripping over yourself all night with your John Doe nonsense

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If you need it, I think the exculsion zone is 20 miles or something.

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Nope, you get a grant increase, doesn't make it free.....

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No, its "given out" to anyone that wants a go at it. They're just not going to bloody pay you to do it

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Why not if I have the ability but not the means??

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I've noticed you're beginning to repeat things i've already explained you're wrong about, and you're beginning to repeat this too.

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LMAO

You're taking a hiding from all angles GZ, you haven't answered one point satisfactorarily all night. You're flailing about is frankly pathetic looking :D

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If your arguments are crumbling, I suggest you pack it in rather than hoping I will

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Look if you want me to say that your brother is "superior", in that he's providing a better skill value to his employers, ok. He is. He obviously comes fairly close to the E32k figure, enough perhaps to start bringing in to play just how far the average is skewed by millionaires and such and by the time he's forty he'll probably have passed it out.

By the way, his purchasing parity power is around E7k above the average in the European Union.

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Nice the way you focus on the highest earner of all my friends and skip over all the rest of us, with that sort of logic you could be an economist

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Originally Posted by jebus

Nice the way you focus on the highest earner of all my friends and skip over all the rest of us, with that sort of logic you could be an economist

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The degree is in the post :eek:

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Nope, you get a grant increase, doesn't make it free.....

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Why not if I have the ability but not the means??

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Do you really want me to go into why we can't pay everyone minimum to go to college?

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You're taking a hiding from all angles GZ, you haven't answered one point satisfactorarily all night. You're flailing about is frankly pathetic looking :D

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I am? I could've sworn yourself and jebus's arguments could be boiled down to "nuh-uh, i'm average and i have a purchasing power of E32k per year.

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Do you really want me to go into why we can't pay everyone minimum to go to college?

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Who said everyone??

Minmum what??

There's that flailing again :rolleyes:

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I am? I could've sworn yourself and jebus's arguments could be boiled down to "nuh-uh, i'm average and i have a purchasing power of E32k per year

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Ya you are ;)

Btw the last bit of that makes F-All sense

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

I am? I could've sworn yourself and jebus's arguments could be boiled down to "nuh-uh, i'm average and i have a purchasing power of E32k per year.

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I think you'll find I never once said I had a purchasing power of 32k, jesus for an economist you don't even know how to deal with arguments involving figures do you? Last word on this from me Gavin, you're a idiot