Alas, I did copy yours... :o
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Alas, I did copy yours... :o
But I'm still getting 2.667;
Derry= 3.5
Cork= 1.5
Drogs(at the mo)=3
Adds up to 8 which divided by 3 gives 2.667.(I think I'm right?)
We're on 2 at the moment, which is 6/3. 6+.5+1=7.5/3=2.5
Drogs are two wins and a draw and a defeat, which is 2.5, not 3.
Was counting for 2 wins agaisnt Helsinki even though it went to ET.:o
Drogs at penos, so we're guaranteed the win. 2.5 with one team left for sure. And one more five minutes away from destiny...
Updated. Up two to 35th - ahead of Macedonia and Georgia. Need two wins from Derry to pass Moldova, which is unlikely I suppose. Although if they got a handy draw and fluked into the groups to get four more games...! Have to equal Macedonia or we drop a place.
Sixth in Europe at this stage - it'll drop, but nice to see.
2008/09 ranking is 29th, very close to the bar for a bye to QR2 of the CL.
2010 ranking is 23rd. Which means an extra CL spot and 2 places off an extra UEFA spot. Can you imagine :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Great news on the coefficients front again tonight. With a minimum of just over 2 points for team rankings next year would take a weird outcome to deny eL sides seedings in the 1st qualifying round next year.
Going to be hard to make any more progress this year but if we can even match the last 3 years good chance of making it into the 20s.
I think this makes it 3 years running have had irish side in the 1st round of the Uefa Cup! The eL/FAI should be using that footage to promote the league!
:cool: :ball:
What's interesting to note is that while most of the countries directly ahead of us drop a poorish year some of the other countries ahead of us like Bosnia and Cyprus are dropping an exceptionally good year. Hungary miles ahead look to be on a downward spiral in the next few years on current trend. We've got two crap years we can significantly improve on in the next two years. Please God Derry still have some points left to accumulate, or even better that they actually progress.
Where did that Macedonian team come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Did they get straight into the 1st round? :confused:
Knocked out of the CL 3rd round by Lillie.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
Wait, let me get this straight, despite all the progress of the last 3 years eL sides will still be unseeded in the UEFA Cup 1st qualifying round? I see that the worst ranked seeded teams were the Lithuanians and they still have quite a better coefficient than us. So unless it's Shels in the UEFA next year or unless Derry also pick up some individual coefficient points and are in the UEFA we'll have to punch above our weight again?:(
AFAIK the round you enter at is determined by the seeding of the country. Then the seeding of teams inside that round is determined by the club ranking (1/3 of the country ranking + own club points)Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
IF you look at the last couple of years 2.0+ points is enough to ensure all eL clubs seeded in 1st qualifying rounds. Shels have already been seeded due to the extra club point they got against Lille.
I would be confident that all eL teams being seeded next year.
A lot of this is lost on barstoolers but the league is making real progress now consistently beating teams from countries up to 10 places ahead of us.
If Derry make group stakes:eek: , the eircom league will get a "bonus" 1pt like cl right?
Also 1pt for a draw in this round so hopefully Derry can get a draw in one of their matches. If its Litex they have half a chance of getting 2pts. Austria Vienna are no world beaters either .
I'm not sure if there's bonus point, I think there might be, but it would count from the first round proper I'd imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
Its in black and white in front of you Pete.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
It doesnt matter how confident you are we still have to position ourselves in the TOP HALF of the countries that make up the Northern Section. Going on last years rules we are not in the top half.
UEFA decide on the regions every season but there is no reason to think they will change the rules.
The three FAIR PLAY places always upset the system so depending on how they finish you might become a seed. On past history its nearly always gone to the higher Northern Region countries and pushed us further down the list.
I think we are going to go through one more season of unseeds and then it will kick in.
Also we are seeded in the Champions League!!
Thats not to be laughed at. That is real progress.
One other point to note - if we get five consecutive years of 2.5 (i.e. just like this year, assuming Derry don't get anything off PSG), we'd be up to 12.5. On this year's seedings, that'd be good enough for 27th and the bye to QR2 of the CL as well.
We've climbed 5 places this year. No reason why we can't do the same next year.
Higgins is spot on re UEFA Cup seeding. We'll see in a month or so if there's a bonus point for qualifying for the UEFA Cup groups. There might well be. I know there's a point or two for getting to the CL groups, even if you were seeded to enter at that stage.
That Macedonian team drew FC Basel, who beat Vaduz on away goals. They may well pick up a draw there to move ahead of us.
Estonian team - only others below us still left - drew Newcastle.
As it stands all eL clubs guaranteed team 2.035 points for next season.
This season the lower seeded team in the CL 1st qualifying round had 1.760 points & in the Uefa Cup this was 1.925.
Going by that logic its reasonable to think will be seeded although very hard to calculate as depends who qualifiers from other countries.
:confused:
But others' seedings move just as ours did. Lithuania were the ones on 1.925 - they'll now be guaranteed 2.4 or so.
This is the table you want. It's not enough to improve coefficient. We have to move ahead of Latvia or Lithuania, who both had good years this year. And still, the Northern European is the weakest of the three groups (well, up to second-weakest now) - we're lucky we even have a chance of being seeded.
Damn those Latin and Balkan temperaments for ensuring the Fair Play places go to those placid Scandanavians each year:DQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
In the UEFA Cup northern section the only country we have passed out this season so far is Iceland who were unseeded this year also.
I think you probably correct for the Uefa Cup but the Cl is not regionalised so effectively just ned to ensure 10 weaker countries with a CL participant below us.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu