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Have you been in the "old portacabins"? Better equipped than the vast majority of dressing rooms in the League and a lot bigger too. They were only installed a few seasons ago. As far as portacabins go, there pretty state of the art. There probably the best thing about the Carlisle... As for the rest of it mind you...Quote:
Originally Posted by starryknight
Yeah, once you're inside you'd think you were just in an office. I've been in plenty of worse "permanent" interiors! The toilets are absolutely rubbish though, and my conscience would be slightly clearer if even a small section of the DART stand was covered to shelter away supporters from the elements!
That is good news for Bray-but it is a scandal that the licence only gets announced now-just as the season starts.What sort of way is that to run a League?
Anyway I am off to get my season ticket -no way was I getting one until the season was confirmed - reading the forum
it looked like there was no chance . Looks like all that infighting has beeen sorted- and about time.
It's the League of Ireland way...Quote:
Originally Posted by benbulben
Don't always believe what you read on the net... Pinch of salt. Wanderers were always going to get a Premier licence
Ok that is enough of a breather, it's back to business now.
Sure the old portacabins will eventually wear out and fall apart but there will be plenty of spare ones around to be taken from bust builders.
What we have here now is a record that is not going to go away.
It is about how a couple of individuals in Wanderers contrived and plotted to get out of loans they took from decent people.
It's a story that has still to run its course.
The details will still be here for all to read for a long time into the digital future. Done a google on Wanderers recently?
It will stand as a warning to others that certain people in Wanderers have acted as turncoats when it suits them:
A turncoat is a person who shifts allegiance from one loyalty or ideal to another, betraying or deserting an original cause by switching to the opposing side or party.
I'm afraid the infighting has not gone away and will not go away until the person, and I specifically say person, as he is the cause of everything that is wrong with Bray Wanderers has no further involvement in the club. The board do not run the club, nothing happens with out this individuals approval. I intend to fight for the club to be returned to the real owners of the club, the supporters. If the supporters did not come to matches there would be no club and nobody should forget that. The club is not somebody's private little fiefdom where glory will fall where it is not deserved and in case there is any doubt I'm not talking about Pat Devlin or anyone involved in team affairs. To reiterate again, justice will prevail.Quote:
Originally Posted by benbulben
That is a pretty shocking situation.What way is that to run or support a team?If this infighting is as bad as you say is there any point following the team.Football in Ireland is suffering more now than ever before.The number of clubs that have collapsed and are on the brink of collapse is mad and it cannot go on.Dundalk only have a provisional licence as they change hands again.Monaghan were with us last year and are gone.Bohemians still have big trouble with loans that they owe.There are three senior clubs in Galway and not one good one between them.Now looks like Limerick are the club with funds for th season-I hear they are chasing players everywhere.Sligo didnt keep some of their winning team players for cash reasons.Where will it end?
Returned to the real owners, the supporters... But the supporters have never owned the club and let be honest about it, the club would die if the supporters owned it. We do not have enough supporters attending games to pump enough money into the club to sustain a Premier Division team. The only reason why Bray are still going today is the money that the Slevin's have put into it over the years, no other reason than that. Other people have been brought in on the board to invest in the club but after a couple of seasons they withdrew the money they said they would invest and moved on to something that would make them money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
There is infighting at ever Irish club, from the smallest to the biggest.
If the supporters want a say, organise and get active. There's no point just complaining about stuff.
You can't invest money in a club and expect to make money.Nobody has and nobody will -here or as everyone knows in England.There is so much stuff on this website that makes no sense-loans written off ,directors sacked ....if half the energy went into the team that goes into the internal politics of the club Bray might be champs..no reflection on Pat Devlin who has done a great job and puts in great effort .(I'm not his mother either!)
It is my understanding that the people who put money into the club and were later sacked put it in for the wider good of the club and the future development of Bray Wanderers.Quote:
Originally Posted by benbulben
These people should be encouraged and praised for supporting League of Ireland, like all the others around the country who put their hands in their pocket to support LOI, week after week.
Benbulben correctly points out that you do not put money in football for a financial return. You do it for the love of the local club and the game, and people putting money in know this. Many investors see their return marked in the local success of a club, and we should not always look upon € as the only way you can mark a return on investment.
What we need to do is to get more of these investors involved and show them respect for supporting the LOI.
Would you not agree?
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Originally Posted by Mr A
On this thread supporters were given the opportunity to buy shares in the club and while admittedly there were only a few takers the club has refused to ratify the transfer of those shares so it looks like the club are determined to ensure that supporters are not involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns
In response to BrayUnknowns, you are right, the phrase "Returned to the real owners, the supporters" was incorrect but where I was coming from was that I believe the Barcelona Model is where the club should aspire to in that the club is owned by the supporters and those who run the club are accountable to the supporters. At this point in time those who run the club are accountable to no-one.
You wouldn't want to believe all that gets posted here masquerading as fact, plenty of people with their own agendas out there. Bring on the football!Quote:
Originally Posted by benbulben
Spot on Benbulbin, you can’t invest money in a club and expect to make money.Quote:
Originally Posted by benbulben
But you should at least expect to be treated with respect.
Lets face that fact. Investors are an important part of Irish Football, look at who’s paying half the national manager’s salary.
When they give generously they don’t expect to be shafted at some later stage.
The story of Investors in Bray Wanderers from 2007 to 2012 has been written and printed and is waiting to go. It is going to show how well meaning investors were literally dragged into litigation for more money in 2012 even though they had concluded their contact in 2008. Some people in Wanderers think this is only an internal club matter and should only be of concern to themselves, but when a club sets out on a course to shaft investors then this impacts on the wider community and on football in general.
Do the boys in those portacabins really think that shafting well meaning people would remain as some internal Wanderers matter and never get out and be given full public scrutiny?
Well boys, we know you sit there every morning reading this forum?
Is there any movements there in your consciences maybe telling you that your actions have left a big blot on the good character of a fine club?
Are you all happy that what you have done was honest, honourable and correct behaviour and something that you would recommend to all followers of football? To other clubs even?
Last chance to make amends and keep the relationships between sports and the people who are generous enough to give time and money to sports on the right track.
Interested?
No? No response from you?
No comment to make as usual?
Ok well, then the full story might as well come out.
Which of the facts on this thread are not true or is this just wishful thinking? It's possible I suppose that your are not talking about this thread. As for agendas, yes there are agendas, like getting paid money that is rightfully owed, the forcing of that individual to go legal to get paid. The club would not do that to a player? All people are looking for looking for is justice and to be treated with respect or would you be opposed to that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
I have no idea what's fact or fiction here. Posts are put up by people hiding behind pseudonyms, that's how the forum works. If anyone thinks a forum like this is the place to air allegations like I've seen here, I'd say you're deluded to think that act will change anything. There's 11 pages of this now, three or four people replying to each others posts and I'd take it all with a pinch of salt. Just because someone says something is fact doesn't make it so. There's two sides to every story and there's only one biased side here. Wanderers have a better squad heading into a new season than they've had in a long time, I'm looking forward to a season fot the first time in years. Well done to everyone at the club who has made this so, bring on the football!Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
Sure bring on the football but make sure it is run properly and that the leaders in the club have acted and continue to act totally above board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
There are questions to be asked about the management in Bray and their contribtion to making Wanderers by now the widely acclaimed club for this run of infighting.
In case you missed it the allegation here is that some people in Bray Wanderers set out to shaft investors and also did the same to others who had contributed greatly to the club.
It looks like at least six of the former board are ****** off over what has happened and that leaves just two controllers on the other side.
So, Seagull, go out for yourself and ask the questions and find out yourself what is fact or fiction.
Can you refute any of what has been detailed in the past 11 pages?
Cause if you can then I suggest you say so for all to read,
rather than waffle.
I'll leave the waffling to the experts already posting in this thread, they seem like they know what they're at. Anonymous allegations on an an internet forum don't impress me much, I'm happy that the club has a Premier licence, a decent squad and the season is imminent. I support a football club, I'm sure there's politics but, so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by starryknight
Sure Seagull, no problem, live just for the game and have no concerns about the politics or the affairs of Bray Wanderers.
No concerns about how things are done,,
No concerns about the image of Bray Wanderers,
No concerns about any acts of the officials running the club,
No concerns about how Wanderers is seen in the community.
I’m sure you pay attention to questions of standards in sports. How about the big questions of doping in sport and Lance Armstrong, how about questions of match fixing and FIFA attempts to weed it out. How about the small questions, how about making sure that all involved, both players and other professionals, are paid properly for their efforts and not left out of pocket. I’m sure you would agree that professionals like trainers, physios, coaches, accountants, and other people giving professional assistance should also be properly paid. I hope you will agree that integrity and keeping your word is important.
Sure a few whistleblowers are posting and Bray Wanderers’ dirty laundry is getting a public showing. Somebody started the mess.
There is plenty more to come out, it will get a full public viewing, might not interest you, but it will fascinate others.
Are there any fundraisers coming up?
From reading this thread looks like a lot of funds will be needed this year.