Epl 2010/11

Just how bad is the standrad of refereeing in the EPL / England this year? Every big game seems to have rubbish decisions. The Birmingham v Arsenal blatantly wrong offside call that Arsenal were very lucky to escape, Wolves' disallowed goal today saving Gomez' blushes, Hutton not being red carded, Rooney not being red carded, David Luiz not being red carded. The two decisions against Arsenal yesterday. The pig's mickey Howard Webb made of the WC Final (not helped by the players).

There was a game a while back (WBA v Blackburn?) where a free was given just outside the box, yet in the whole relevant passage of play neither the attacker nor the defender set foot outside the box. Clear penalty

The answer is not in replays, it's just in having competent referees. The current crop just have no intuitive feel for the game whatsoever. They're staggeringly bad.

think a large part of it the pressure put on referees when they fail, who would want that?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Just how bad is the standrad of refereeing in the EPL / England this year? Every big game seems to have rubbish decisions. The Birmingham v Arsenal blatantly wrong offside call that Arsenal were very lucky to escape, Wolves' disallowed goal today saving Gomez' blushes, Hutton not being red carded, Rooney not being red carded, David Luiz not being red carded. The two decisions against Arsenal yesterday. The pig's mickey Howard Webb made of the WC Final (not helped by the players).

There was a game a while back (WBA v Blackburn?) where a free was given just outside the box, yet in the whole relevant passage of play neither the attacker nor the defender set foot outside the box. Clear penalty

The answer is not in replays, it's just in having competent referees. The current crop just have no intuitive feel for the game whatsoever. They're staggeringly bad.

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in fairness referee gets no help from linesmen when it comes to big decisions they have to make split second decisions without the benefit of 12 different camera angles .. players dont help either going down , rolling about in agony and managers just as bad always complain when decisions go against them but say nothing when they get them ... liverpool v utd today carraghers terrible tackle on nani & rafaels dangerous tackle both should have been red... managers will always defend players e.g ferguson on roonys elbow on mc carthy last weekend and dalglish live on sky after todays games praising his players for committment / performance & discipline ( carragher tackle !!) and most famous of all arse wenger they only manager who was always looking the other way when arsenal commit fouls etc ... maybee hearin lies the problem... clubs want to win at any cost no matter what ..

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How is that not a red card? Sickening.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

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How is that not a red card? Sickening.

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I asked the same question last weekend myself but there you go both players got away with it. It's hardly a shock they did either. Until proper action is taken nothing will change with regards to these incidents. Being able to hide behind this the ref took action at the time is a complete and utter joke.

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Originally Posted by KK77

I asked the same question last weekend myself but there you go both players got away with it. It's hardly a shock they did either. Until proper action is taken nothing will change with regards to these incidents. Being able to hide behind this the ref took action at the time is a complete and utter joke.

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f.a are the joke here they will use same old line referee deemed his action on incident was ok .. even worse is the story that jamie carragher had to be forced into an apology !!! .. then again if both players were sent off 1 game bans would this be acceptable punishment.. carraghers tackle could yet cost utd the league as nani was one of their better players this year and could be out for rest of season .. leaves the door open for chelsea to mount a serious run for league title now ..

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Originally Posted by old git

f.a are the joke here they will use same old line referee deemed his action on incident was ok .. even worse is the story that jamie carragher had to be forced into an apology !!! .. then again if both players were sent off 1 game bans would this be acceptable punishment.. carraghers tackle could yet cost utd the league as nani was one of their better players this year and could be out for rest of season .. leaves the door open for chelsea to mount a serious run for league title now ..

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Are you for real? If Man Utd don't win the league (i think they will still win it myself) it will be nothing whatsoever to do with Carragher's tackle yesterday. Nani like the rest of the Man U team had done nothing to suggest they were going to get anything out of the game and to suggest otherwise is mad imo. To suggest he is that important to them if he is out injured is again crazy imo. If they can't get the points from the remaining games with or without Nani to win the league well they won't deserve to win it.

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Originally Posted by KK77

Are you for real? If Man Utd don't win the league (i think they will still win it myself) it will be nothing whatsoever to do with Carragher's tackle yesterday. Nani like the rest of the Man U team had done nothing to suggest they were going to get anything out of the game and to suggest otherwise is mad imo. To suggest he is that important to them if he is out injured is again crazy imo. If they can't get the points from the remaining games with or without Nani to win the league well they won't deserve to win it.

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not that crazy .. nani has been in great form the last couple of months has even got into double figures with goals and has set up a lot of goals also.. he is the only midfielder utd have at the moment who has a bit of pace and can beat opponents with skill .. .. who will replace him for rest of season and score goals / create chances .. gibson !!! , obertan !!! so maybe i am not a crazy old git after all.. will agree with you they should be good enough to still win league but his injury makes it alot harder for them..

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Originally Posted by KK77

Are you for real? If Man Utd don't win the league (i think they will still win it myself) it will be nothing whatsoever to do with Carragher's tackle yesterday. Nani like the rest of the Man U team had done nothing to suggest they were going to get anything out of the game and to suggest otherwise is mad imo. To suggest he is that important to them if he is out injured is again crazy imo. If they can't get the points from the remaining games with or without Nani to win the league well they won't deserve to win it.

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Any chance Utd had of getting back into the game was with Nani on the pitch. United ended up having to bring Rooney back to left mid to accommodate the changes.

You can say having Nani out will have that big of an effect because Valencia is out and Park Ji Sung is out. That leaves Ryan Giggs and Obertan the only two fully fit wingers in the first team. Carragher should still get a 3 game ban.


It was cowardly out of Carragher a player who is so well able to time a tackle to get it that far wrong can only have been pre meditated and cannot really be seen as a rush of blood to the head.

Fair play to him Liverpool won the game well probably would have won it handy anyhow.
But for a man who goes on about being a fair man it was a fair cheap shot.

BBC pundits on MOTD2 were saying that in general the ref handled it well, but I think that type of tackle should never be tolerated regardless of context. When england play in major tournaments they then complain about refs not tolerating "manly" challenges. The footballing world, for the most part, left that type of tackle behing a generation ago.

A defining moment of this season so far has been Abu Diabi being sent off for reacting - not particularly violently - to a tough tackle by Joey Barton. What happened yesterday was worse.

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Originally Posted by old git

not that crazy .. nani has been in great form the last couple of months has even got into double figures with goals and has set up a lot of goals also.. he is the only midfielder utd have at the moment who has a bit of pace and can beat opponents with skill .. .. who will replace him for rest of season and score goals / create chances .. gibson !!! , obertan !!! so maybe i am not a crazy old git after all.. will agree with you they should be good enough to still win league but his injury makes it alot harder for them..

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He maintained that on Sunday as well!!!! LOL

All joking aside any word on how bad the injury actually is? I wouldn't be shocked to see him back sooner than you may think. He did get up after it remember and then went back down again after going after Dowd.

It was a really bad tackle and an obvious red card, not even a difficult decision for the ref to make. It was far worse than the tackle Gerrard was sent off for at Old Trafford. That said, I think Nani draws that kind of treatment for acting little a little girl whenever he's touched. Ferguson and co can't complain too much either after the Rooney incident the week before. If he had come out and comdemned what Rooney did, then maybe he'd have earned the right to be taken more seriously when critisising the non-decisions for Luiz and Carragher. I thought Harry Redknapp was refreshing after the Wolves match. He said he couldn't really tell if Hutton had pulled back the Wolves player, but the referee didn't give it for nothing. He added that assuming Hutton did pull him back, he's lucky not to have walked.

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Originally Posted by KK77

He maintained that on Sunday as well!!!! LOL

All joking aside any word on how bad the injury actually is? I wouldn't be shocked to see him back sooner than you may think. He did get up after it remember and then went back down again after going after Dowd.

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hold on now he created liverpools 2nd goal !! :D and its not like nani to go down easy ... another player probally back in couple of weeks but with nani you never know how long.. but i fairness i looked a bad cut so will be intresting to see how long he is out for

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Just how bad is the standrad of refereeing in the EPL / England this year? Every big game seems to have rubbish decisions. The Birmingham v Arsenal blatantly wrong offside call that Arsenal were very lucky to escape, Wolves' disallowed goal today saving Gomez' blushes, Hutton not being red carded, Rooney not being red carded, David Luiz not being red carded. The two decisions against Arsenal yesterday. The pig's mickey Howard Webb made of the WC Final (not helped by the players).

There was a game a while back (WBA v Blackburn?) where a free was given just outside the box, yet in the whole relevant passage of play neither the attacker nor the defender set foot outside the box. Clear penalty

The answer is not in replays, it's just in having competent referees. The current crop just have no intuitive feel for the game whatsoever. They're staggeringly bad.

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If they are ALL bad, then there is something wrong with the game and the system, not the referees.

Linesmen are supposed to have 4 eyes: looking at the kicker of the ball, looking at the last defender, looking at any off the ball incident and finally the ball going over the line and all within a split second. Refs of course have a one quick viewing of an incident and with players cheating and diving and pretending they are hurt, it is an impossible job. Their decisions are then played back on Sky in slow motion, dissected by former players who dislike refs anyway. Having seen the World Cup and other football in Spain, the refs and linesmen are no different. It is the game that has changed. Not the standard of Officials. Don't forget FIFA thought the English Officials were so good, they were awarded the WC Final which got out of hand because of the players.

I agree with some of the above, but there are a lot of non-discipline /cheating related errors, like the WBA/Blackburn example I cited. At no point duting the passage of play was either player outside the box yet the ref shirked giving a penalty and gave a free 19 yards out.

Players who get out of hand should be sent off.

You're right though, it's not just England: the standard of officiating at the WC was awful. The Lampard "goal", Tevez's goal, Van Bommel's perpetual fouling going unpunished, and the final itself which in fairness to Webb was made bad by the players. Thierry Henry's handball in Paris. These are all decisions you'd expect officials to get right. Marginal errors will always happen.

The only sure thing in life about football is (a) Referees will make incorrect decisions and (b) Managers will come on tv moaning about them unless of course a decision goes in their favour, in which case you get comments like Phelan's on the Rooney/McCarthy incident:

"We can't dispute the referee's decision," he said. "He's kept the game flowing and we're happy with that".

It's definitely not just England.

Barcelona, denied a certain goal in London, robbed in last year's semi by 2 if not 3 rubbish decisions, get denied a penno under the ref's nose tonight. Then Van Persie gets the softest of red cards.

"Crisis of authority" - Dunphy, July 2010. Bang on.

Man U thinking they're above the law, FIFA, cheating players, awful refereeing, toothless domestic governance in England...

Anyway, I've been watching footy since the mid 1970s. I've never heard of a keeper rupturing a tendon catching a ball. Arsenal's injury jinx is quite amazing.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

The only sure thing in life about football is (a) Referees will make incorrect decisions and (b) Managers will come on tv moaning about them unless of course a decision goes in their favour, in which case you get comments like Phelan's on the Rooney/McCarthy incident:

"We can't dispute the referee's decision," he said. "He's kept the game flowing and we're happy with that".

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It's amazing how the result of a game affect the perception of a ref's performance.

Wenger today said that "after a fantastic first leg, the only thing anybody will remember now is the red card" (or words to that effect). I think it's more the case that he'd like people to remember it that way, rather than remembering the fact that Arsenal were outclassed even before Van Persie got sent off.

I wouldn't dispute that Barca were the better side, but I do disagree with people who say that the sending off didn't affect the game. There would have been more pressure on Barca as the clocked ticked down, 11 on 11. Barca were creating chances when the sides were even, but I don't think that there's any doubt that they created more chances with the man advantage.

Anyhow, Almunia in goal for Arsenal for the next six weeks.