Bohs in financial trouble - FAI Licencing called into question again?

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27/08/2010, 2:22 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Jaime

But the benefits are there. They might not be worth a whole lot financially, but they are there.

I'd never argue that clubs, and individuals, don't benefit from european success. But Pats games in Europe didn't help the LOI at all. They helped us, and Fahey, and Fabio and a handful of players. But the league didn't benefit.
27/08/2010, 2:37 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Jaime

So he's making some attempt acknowledge the bigger picture, while all the time [rightly] pointing out that his own primary concern has to be his wages...

The point is that his wages are the problem. You can have Shels-esque success and go broke cos of the cost of it, but you can't act all surprised when the bubble does go pop.
27/08/2010, 2:38 PM
legendz

If you look at most of the Europa League groups today, if an LoI club was there, they'd get fair amount of coverage with all the games.
27/08/2010, 2:52 PM
pineapple stu

Shels got loads of coverage when they played Depor. What good did that do the league?

European progression as a panacea is very much overrated.
27/08/2010, 3:26 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by legendz

The frustrating thing about Boh's is, had they beaten TNS and been defeated by Anderlecht, they would've given CSKA Sofia a good game in the Europa League Play-offs. Would've been some amount of games as well to raise the profile of the LoO.

Bohs wouldn't definitely have got CSKA though if it had been their name in the draw rather than TNS, so it's rather moot.
27/08/2010, 3:49 PM
legendz

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Shels got loads of coverage when they played Depor. What good did that do the league?

European progression as a panacea is very much overrated.

That's true. It's a once off again though. There needs to be consistency of season after season. Many clubs have had one good season. It takes a few for people to sit up and take notice.
27/08/2010, 3:58 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by legendz

That's true. It's a once off again though. There needs to be consistency of season after season. Many clubs have had one good season. It takes a few for people to sit up and take notice.

Which can't happen while we have the ridiculous situation where every team that wins the league goes pop within a couple of years.
27/08/2010, 6:31 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Shels got loads of coverage when they played Depor. What good did that do the league?

European progression as a panacea is very much overrated.

Probably depends on what club it is too. Shelbourne don't have any fans, and didn't even when they were winning things. If Derry, Cork or Rovers got into the EL they might actually have a reasonable chance of repeating the success the next year, and that would be more likely to have a knock-on effect.

I agree it's no panacea though.
27/08/2010, 11:13 PM
PartySaint

So its the amount of fans you have that makes you more successful?? Naming 2 first divison clubs and a club who havent won the league in 16 years doesnt bcak up your argument well there
27/08/2010, 11:23 PM
hoops1

Well if we are not the best this year we will next year. As Bohs will be part time and we will have a few of your better players.
27/08/2010, 11:29 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by PartySaint

So its the amount of fans you have that makes you more successful?? Naming 2 first divison clubs and a club who havent won the league in 16 years doesnt bcak up your argument well there

Well Rovers have had hardly any fans* until recently too. I'm just saying that all three clubs have more or less the largest current fanbases and arguably the largest effective catchment areas for blow-ins, which would set them on course for sustainability at a higher level. Like I said, it's not a panacea, but those are the clubs with the greatest capacity for growth.

*let's say "active" fans
28/08/2010, 12:01 AM
PartySaint

Yep im the arrogant one
28/08/2010, 10:53 AM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by maseanjo

Have to say you're a little arrogant there Party boy, the point being made is that the ability of clubs without a decent fan base to win competitions by running themselves into the ground is symptomatic of what is wrong with our league and the way to combat it is for the well supported clubs who tried to emulate this, to be well and truly kicked up the arse and build from basics while maintaining their loyal core support.

not all clubs with a low fan base run themselves into the ground in their race for success however i can name you a few clubs with a large fan base who have done just that... any spring to mind maseanjo
the way to combat this is for these clubs to take a lesson from the smaller clubs in financial prudance
28/08/2010, 12:19 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by maseanjo

Have to say you're a little arrogant there Party boy

You don't get rhetorical, do you?
28/08/2010, 1:32 PM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by maseanjo

, the point being made is that the ability of clubs without a decent fan base to win competitions by running themselves into the ground is symptomatic of what is wrong with our league .

this is the part of your post i was replying too. which i think is whooly wrong ,my point is that the clubs with large fan bases are the ones who continously bring the game into disrepute
28/08/2010, 3:08 PM
Rasputin

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Originally Posted by passerrby

this is the part of your post i was replying too. which i think is whooly wrong ,my point is that the clubs with large fan bases are the ones who continously bring the game into disrepute

Dublin City, Kildare County, Kilkenny, St Francis, St James's gate etc etc?
While Sporting Franchise will be the next on that list.
28/08/2010, 3:40 PM
Lim till i die

EVERY club, bar maybe Monaghan, will invariably bring the game into disrepute a half dozen or so times each per season.
28/08/2010, 4:03 PM
de bowez

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Originally Posted by passerrby

this is the part of your post i was replying too. which i think is whooly wrong ,my point is that the clubs with large fan bases are the ones who continously bring the game into disrepute

No Irish club has a large fanbase.
28/08/2010, 4:58 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Rasputin

Dublin City, Kildare County, Kilkenny, St Francis, St James's gate etc etc?
While Sporting Franchise will be the next on that list.

What did Kildare Co, Kilkenny City, St Francis or St James's Gate do to bring the game into disrepute ?

Unless you count an anonymous outfit fizzling out of existence without anyone really noticing being 'disrepute'....
28/08/2010, 11:15 PM
Model Club

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

What did Kildare Co, Kilkenny City, St Francis or St James's Gate do to bring the game into disrepute ?

Unless you count an anonymous outfit fizzling out of existence without anyone really noticing being 'disrepute'....

Whatever about Kildare which imo was a failed experiment,St Francis(albeit in junior football),Kilkenny(E.M.F.A.) and especially Jame's Gate all had a decent history or at least enough not to be regarded as "anonymous outfits".

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