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I’d be fairly sceptical
I don't buy that. Jamaica have had very little success in attracting English born players over the years. And isn't Redmond the surname of Nathan's mother of Irish parents? I would have thought he'd be plumping for Ireland, if anyone other than England.
I'd be similar, particularly Ivan Toney, very likely to have England telling him he's on their radar. They might be all getting passports, but that's not the same as declaring outright even if they are giving themselves an option down the line. Of course if they all declared then WC qualification becomes very likely and good luck to Jamaica if they swing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Stephen Ireland's son Joshua is on the bench for Stoke U18s today: https://www.premierleague.com/match/...n-city-v-stoke
Does he have any interest in playing for the Republic of Ireland ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Not that I'm aware of, and he's already been in the England U15 squad - https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/spor...-stoke-2546266
Im sure theres a Granny Rule joke to be made there.... but Im far too high brow to go there!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Not that it would necessarily mean anything but as far as I’m aware, was born in ireland, both biological parents are irish tooQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Funnily enough the same factset applied for his aul lad and he had no interest playing for us either!Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
I was more thinking different to another current English underage player who is also the son of another ex-Stoke ireland internationalQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Callum O'Hare is not eligible for us according to Kenny. His Irishness is through Great Grandfather.
That's a shame, but good to clear it up all the same.
That's mad. With a father called Sean O'Hare, a champion Irish dancing sister and a history of playing gaelic football you'd have assumed he was a certainty to be eligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
According to the other Serbia match thread from the Q&A today with kenny.. nathan Redmond doesn't even qualify for Ireland!!!. I'd like to take back everything I said about him over the last 2 years, as the man is clearly mentally illQuote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
FIFA need to have another look at the qualification criteria (wink)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Not sure in which thread to pose this question, but here goes: Who was the last player to qualify and play for the Republic of Ireland on the basis of naturalisation rather than eligible by descent?
As in, because they were living here long enough?
Not sure I can think of anyone really. That tends to benefit nations with strong domestic leagues.
Chiedozie Ogbene would be an instance of this should he be capped, he was born in Nigeria and moved to Ireland when he was 8. No others come to mind. Most are either born here or have parents/grandparents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demesne Lad
Hondermarck would be the same - born in France, raised in Dublin
We've only really become a nation of immigrants rather than emigrants in recent decades. (Whoever decided how many m's should be in those words deserves a paddling.) I'd guess it may never have happened until recently. You see a few kids of African immigrants playing for us now; probably there are Poles and the like in contention too, though I guess children of immigrants are a good bit more common than immigrant children.
As PS said above, adults moving here and then naturalising is rather unlikely. They'd have to play LoI and later on make it at a higher level. If the LoI were stronger (and richer, if that's not all but the same thing in football), that would become much more likely.
The rubgy crowd have attracted a few that way. The difference is that they have relatively wealthy league teams who can attract and retain players of the required standard.
Also, you are (or were) able to cap someone in rugby before they got their passport. You just needed 3 years of residency. Rather than the 5 you’d need to normally be naturalised.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
The rule was extended to five years in 2017, and was supposed to come into effect on New Year's Day this year, but has been delayed until the end of the year: https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/r...delayed/629005Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Peter Thomas is the only example i can think of. There was talk of Dundalk goalie Richie Blackmore getting Irish citizenship in the late 70's when we had only 3 or 4 goalie's on the books of full time clubs but it never happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by Demesne Lad
Conor Wickham is on the bench today for Palace, still only 27, a talented forward but made of glass....so he’d fit right in.
Conor Gallagher named in England's U21 squad for the European Championships: https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/mar/...stage-20210315
He is 21 now, so I'm fairly sure that means that if he makes an appearance at the tournament he will then be eligible for England only.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I'd say there are a few dual nationals in that squad that will be tied to England after the tournament that will probably never go on to have much of a senior international career as a result (unless the rules are changed yet again).
Incidentally is there a single player in that under 21 squad that wouldn't currently make our senior squad if eligible and interested?
Josh Griffiths on loan at Cheltenham Town maybe? That's about it though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Ben Wilmot is in there and is also eligible for Ireland and was close to declaring until he got an England call a few years back.
Is that rule any international appearance over the age of 21 or just senior appearance? I could have sworn the 21 year old thing was related to senior internationals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
senior apparences I believe it was Munir case
I believe it covers competitive games at underage level as well. Because most underage competitions are for players younger than 21 it only really comes in to play for Under 21 qualifiers and finals games. There was a clarification that it wouldn't be backdated before last September but for games from now on it applies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut
Christy Pym / Peterborough United / 25 / Keeper
- https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...f-ireland/amp/
Che Adams has declared for Scotland. Qualifies through a maternal grandparent. A good coup for them. He's a way off the England squad at present but he's young and has shown flashes this season.
yep, he is a coup for them and no coincidence they just qualified for a major tournamentQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
That does seem to make a big difference to these young players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Exactly, he turned them down in 2017, when he was miles off any England radar but he's currently scoring goals in the top division. Like Wilson or Bamford a little. He turned down Antigua, his father's country. Scotland make a finals, and through one grandparent he's digging out the kilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Given their fans' treatment of McGeady in Celtic Park a few years ago I assume the Scotland support will now be turning their back on the national team and will no longer have any interest in the Euros this summer in light of the Adams callup.
Ah look, would we be any different with Rice or Grealish? I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
In fairness that's different. Both of those actually played for us and then walked away. McGeady nailed his colours to the mast at a young age and still got dogs abuse for it in Scotland. It would be more the equivalent of us abusing Dennis Cirkin if he ever turned up playing for England - which just wouldn't happen.
Cirkin's Irish link is a pretty tenuous one, not remotely comparable to McGeady and McCarthy's 'Scottishness' imo, nevermind being an equivilant situation.
I think the reaction to Grealish especially is far more comparable to those even though they didn't play underage for Scotland, particularly given the hundreds of players we've benefitted from taking the other way around.
Not justifying the abuse McGeady/McCarthy got of course, but given their ability and Scotland's deficiencies at the time, it was bound to be a bit galling for them. Plus Ireland isn't exactly loved in certain quarters up there, so any excuse.
Cirkin was born here. That's about as far from "tenuous" as it gets.