I'd love to see a small terrace behind one of the Goals in Tallafornia, preferably the Square end, but cant see it happening
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I'd love to see a small terrace behind one of the Goals in Tallafornia, preferably the Square end, but cant see it happening
Isn't the new stand going on the square end in Tallaght?Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnie
Tallaght would be great if the fans were closer to the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnie
Perhaps it's not as severe for home fans, but away fans are kept very far back from the pitch.
The only thing that Tallaght lacks is atmosphere.
I don't think Shels, Bohs or the council know what Shels are planning to do! but if Bohs have to get out of Dalymount whilst it is being refurbished then Tolka is the obvious short term solution. The only issues with Inchicore that I've heard from home fans is the lack of a roof on the home, Patron's, stand. The roof on the away shed end only runs halfway over, which is an issue on wet nights. Only ever full when Rovers or Bohs play there. Last time I enquired about funding I was told by Pat's that the FAI told them there wasn't any money available to them but that Garret Kelleher was still looking for funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
The pitch at Oriel Park has passed the UEFA Level 2 test again this year.
What does level 2 mean? Foundation level?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Level 2 means we can host a game in the second qualifying round of the Champions League.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
There was some doubt as the pitch was due to be replaced but this was postponed as the club seeks resolution of the Oriel Park lease with the previous owner.
No it hasn't. The club have confirmed the test took place on Tuesday and be a while before they get the resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
The club are waiting on official notification.Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
It is Nigel, but I just have a old fondness for Behind the Goal terracesQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Sure make the area behind goal and standing area ! ! !
The footballgroundsguide website is looking for Wexford and Finn Harps fans to give some info and photos on their grounds for the new season if anyone can help. It's a great website with information on all stadiums from different levels all over Britain and Ireland.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...ames-1.2521565
A last ditch attempt from Matthews to get himself a few quid?
More Oriel Park threats in today's IT. I presume it'll never come to that though.
Dundalk may lose access to Oriel Park
A desperate last throw of the dice by Matthews.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
However, there is no point in burying heads in the sand, this needs resolving.
Louth Council are owed planning levies. Between DFC, LCC, and Matthews, these need to be settled.
Back to back league winners, FAI Cup winners and now they don't have to play in Oriel Park, everything's coming up Dundalk these days..
Looks like Mr. Matthews is holding all the good cards in this game. If he's holding the lease and is honouring his end of the lease agreement with the owner of OP, then he can sit back and wait for someone to pay up. The clock is running and it's currently in his favour.
Now the rights and wrongs of the situation is another debate. Just shows the problems that can arise when a club structure and ground usage is controlled by individuals, irrespective of their original intentions. It always has the potential to end in tears.
The ownership model of the Showgrounds is the only way to go.
Also, there's another PD club with major ground problems bubbling away just under the surface.
It will be swings and roundabouts for GM most likely. If Dundalk end up having to pay it wont be too long in his pocket. When the YDC was being built instead of it being entirely on Hiney Park, owned by GM as planned it was partly built on Oriel Park land owned by Des Casey without his permission and not as planning permission required. DC isnt at all pleased and himself and Gerry wouldn't be what you'd call friends. There would be little change left after Des Casey is paid for the land he lost and the cost of applying for planning retention to the Council, the legal bill associated and/or GM is told to pull it down. The sports capital grant of 250k would have to be repaid in all likelihood as a result also. There is a bit of leverage for the club yet and all before a possible expensive legal trail through the courts. We shall see but going to the press to tell them of a letter to the FAI? Bit of a last throw of the dice I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePrisoner
He is just trying to get as much money as he can.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePrisoner
Throw in the issue that he built the YDC partially on land without permission, so i doubt he will want to be going to court!
If we ever end up in a new ground we will keep one area uncovered, derelict, and toiletless just for you smart ar*e :pQuote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Agree with your first point. He has clearly said that he wants money. Whether he's legally entitled to anything, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
I don't know anything about the planning process other than it's complex and costly.
If I'm correct Dundalk are at home tomorrow 4 weeks. I don't know the deadline for the licence but the situation will have to be sorted before then. There may only be a 2 or 3 week window.
As I said, if he holds the lease and is honouring his end with the owner of OP then he is in a strong position.
Has anyone seen the lease and its conditions? Would there be any situation or circumstances whereby the lease could be terminated?
It’s probably worth considering that the exact same issue was in place for the last 3 years when DFC were awarded a PD licence. This being, the current owners were in effect sub leasing the ground from Matthews who held (and still holds the ownership of the lease), with the actual ownership of the ground being retained in trust by Des Casey family in a long term deal to the Football Club. This deal also prevents the ground from being used by anything else other than football.
Nothing has changed this year, and the 3 main parties are as you were, however the owner of the lease has put in an objection it would seem to the FAI in a clear move to demand a payment. The issue over the lease will still need to be resolved long term, as it is this very thing that is preventing the club applying for capital sports grants and FAI assistance for the much needed ground redevelopments.
I don’t see Matthews handing it over the lease for nothing, so a payment will probably need to be agreed at some point. As for the YDC, that’s a whole separate issue which he is trying to attach to the terms of the lease. I don’t think his objection will prevent Dundalk from playing in Oriel Park in 2016, however this obviously won’t just go away, and all parties need to get around a table and soon and sort it out for once and for all.
I think we can expect some sort of comment from DFC on this in the next few days.
Gerry Matthews might just be the hero this league has been waiting for.
One thing that has changed is that Dundalk's success and future Champion's League games means they are flush by LOI standards, so it makes sense for Matthews to make his move.
Although the same would have applied last year too, perhaps he's under more pressure now though.
As noted above there are always risks to private ownership models. But then the co-op was a disaster in Dundalk so even if they have to shell out now they'll feel well ahead.
If GM holds the lease what's to stop him from locking the club out? Would not be the first landlord to do something like this.
As its money he's after, and he says it is, now is the best time to strike. Success on the field = money and the season starts in four weeks.
It wouldn't do his other businesses in the town any good. He would have a lot of former customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePrisoner
As long-term tenants Dundalk would have certain rights as well.
Some people can be very difficult to deal with and don't care what other people think of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Anyone with a head for good business decisions does not end up owed a quarter of a million euro by an LOI club.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
The primary function of the lease is for football to be played in oriel park. Even as sublettors per se the rent is being payed by the club as nominal as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePrisoner
I don't think dfc can be locked out. Also GM would be in contravention of the lease.
The IT article only gives his side of the story. I don't know if the club will make a statement but probably been advised not too.
To me it doesn't seem as simple as give me 100k or 250k and I will be off. I think there is more to this than meets the eye and Matthews is trying to hoodwink the public.
That's one for the legal boys and girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
The current company that runs the club is separate from the company that GM used to run the company. So you're into the old argument of separate legal entities. Throw in the legal concept of 'transfer of undertaking', was there or was there not? Have a look at the agreement that was put in place to take over the club and put it into the new company. Then add in that in order for the owners of the new company to get a licence the creditors of the old company have to be sorted out. The club have had a least three owners in the last ten years so how was it rolled from one owner to another?
To say they have rights may well be true but they may also have obligations arising from those rights.
Will be interesting to see who blinks first.
Well he did flog a piece of land for €60k that cost him €800k!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Club statement: http://www.dundalkfc.com/statement-2/
If 100k for the lease or the 250k with the YDC also was the cheapest and easiest way out for the club i'm sure it would be taken. If it isnt paid they must have been told by their legal team not to bother. Also if the YDC is thrown in for 250k then Dundalk FC become owners of 400k debt to Louth County Council on top. There was likely to be a method to the madness of building the YDC on the wrong spot infringing on Casey Trust land but may have backfired. GM was very clear during his tenure that the club should have bought the ground outright and made attempts to do so, with good reason the Caseys refused. Access to the YDC is an issue and could prevent future development of the Carrick end or even temporary seating for that matter. To consolidate the YDC and Oriel is what GM is really angling for, a few quid, no further issues with Des Casey, and also has him off the hook of the council debt but at 650k debt to the club. The council wont play ball on the levy for GM but that has to do with other stuff and maybe a bit that the planning office etc has no shortage of Dundalk fc supporters...Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePrisoner
When GM bought Hiney Park and then the club there were a few people who questioned his true motives. Dundalk Town Council said at the time that they would not rezone any of the land in question for housing. I dont know how or why a builder would spend 800k on a few acres of a football field that was not going to be rezoned for development but there ye go - maybe there was a belief that strang arm tactics would win out there but instead a local secondary school got a bargain to add to the playing fields in the same area and someone else lost out on over 700k (the reserve on Hiney Park was 45k when put up for sale by GM/Bank).
Why would anybody be bothered with Eastenders or the like when there is League of Ireland!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I'd love to see the uncensored version of the statement lol
Dalymount plans unveiled. All sounds good until the bit about there being no funds to even proceed to the actual planning application stage. http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...ount-1.2523069
“Obviously, it’s a project that could be done in phases,” says DCC assistant chief executive Brendan Kenny, “and that’s something we have looked at. We have done a feasibility plan and other work but we haven’t got the funding at this point in time. If that became available we could go straight to planning.”
Although it's mentioned that it's possible initial funding will be approved by Dept. of Arts, Sport and Tourism before the election.
Is there not enough f***ing rugby pitches in Limerick already?:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Well those poor misfortunes in Garryowen RFC will need a place to play soon while they lay an all weather in Dooradoyle and they are very lucky to have some very lovely friends in the LEDP.Quote:
Originally Posted by eitoof
Watch this space.
didn't limerick fc use a rugby pitch while markets field was being built?Quote:
Originally Posted by eitoof
works both ways
Pretty sure they used Jackman Park...a football pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne