I don't see the need for all seated grounds either. It would be better if clubs followed the German or Scandinavian model with a mixture of seats and terraces.
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I don't see the need for all seated grounds either. It would be better if clubs followed the German or Scandinavian model with a mixture of seats and terraces.
A group of Dundalk fans helping with the renovations. Between stadium renovations and their affinity for golf, there is an air of the Celtic tiger developer about the Dundalk fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCdfc
Does Finn Park have a premier licence? If not what will be required to bring it up to standard? Only asking because reading an interview with the chairman after the game and he was saying basically they might struggle a bit with off the field stuff after promotion was wondering what he meant.
For the record before anyone thinks I am being bitter about them beating us I would be disgusted if we were kept up because of anything off the field.
We'll get a derogation because the new ground is in progress.
And because not doing so would be just mean.
But certainly Finn Park isn't the ideal premier division venue and limits our match night revenues.
But at what point will the FAI say they need to see actual progress on the ground? because at the minute the whole thing is a bit of a farce and Friday night showed of all nights that Finn Park is just not fit for purpose anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
About the same time they ask Drogheda how their stadium plans are progressing I assume.
Exactly- Drogheda got by for years on nothing but plans. We have actual structures over there and funding in place. It's slow, but there is a real project there.
And if Friday night proved anything to me it's that terracing is still the business. Feck all-seater grounds.
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Originally Posted by nr637
Think of all the money that could be wasted :rolleyes:
Any new ground or work being done to current ones should look at getting the rail seating in they have in Germany and elsewhere in Europe if at all possible. Means those who want to stand can stand and vice versa for seated. Plus they count as permanent seating for European games with UEFA as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean South
Using Oriel as the example, we got the dregs of Croker's old seats during the BETOP campaign a few years ago when we got into Europe under Fozzie and within a year or two they were in bits. Couple the cost of getting them in, even at a discount, and having to replace them we probably could have gotten the rail seating in which would last far longer and save money in the long run. Also less broken seats! :D
I am hoping to god between them Harps and the builders can get work going again on the new Stadium for next season as it would massively increase numbers
Seeing is believing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
I used to be be a fan of German style Railseats but really might not work in our league. First off they're a lot, I mean, A LOT, more expensive that normal seats and they can't be used in mixed configurations -- they're either all locked up as a terrace or unlocked as seats not a mix of both ... they've also got restricted views with loads of bars in your eye line when you're sat down and a nice metal bar at head height so you can clock yourself off it every time when you move.Quote:
Originally Posted by colonelwest
They work in Germany because;
1. the clubs that have them have a realistic chance of hosting the national team every few years, requiring all seater set up... (not the case in LOI grounds)
2. the clubs that have them have a realistic chance of getting into an extended European campaign every few years (again not the case here if we're honest)
3. the clubs that have them have such demand for tickets for league games that allows them to let in 5,000 - 10,000 extra fans in a standing configuration vs. a seated configuration (again not the case here in the LOI)
4. German Fire Services, Local authorities and Clubs are competent enough to achieve fire and safety certs for grounds for extra capacity when in standing configuration. Do you want to bet on an Irish fire chief giving a cert for extra numbers in a standing configuration after spending all that extra cash on railseats? Bet it would be "Ye have 500 seats so ye can have 500 standing places lads..just in case like" because like it or not that's how we do business here...
To be honest I think a set up like Pirelli Stadium (Burton Albion) Broadhurst Park (FC United of Manchester) or Princes Park (Dartford) with 1 or 2 fully seated stands and decent modern safe terraces making up the bulk of the capacity would be the way to go for most clubs like Bray, Drogs, Harps, Wexford, Athlone or even finishing off grounds at Dundalk, Galway, UCD, Sligo. I suppose the bigger clubs like Bohs (when JD builds them a 10k seater), Rovers, Cork need their seats....
I'd prefer a finished ground with decent elevated and roofed terraces than a windswept 2 sided set up like loads of us have....
You can imagine the Architect and the builders going "Lads do we really need this pesky football pitch?"Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
I'd say that at best the stand in Oriel would be modernised and extended. So we will still be open ended and windswept. Traffic management will be the biggest issue for any capacity increase beyond the current seated capacity. So extending the stand taking in the seated capacity of the east and west terraces would be a way round this. A new stand behind the town goal would be a tough sell to planners without a new road system and car park. Thats after the lease issue is resolved at some point. The big thing this close season will be whether the pitch passes UEFA tests. If not the the whole lease issue will come to a head much quicker before a few hundred thousand euro is spent on a pitch. Could have some premier league football in United Park next season after all for a bit at least.
Seriously? United Park? Can't see Drogs going for that... might have to go further than that for 90mins of magic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Would they turn away the revenue?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
Can't see DFC giving away all the gate receipts to Drogs... so likely little benefit to Drogs. Would Drogs make what €7.50 a head and DFC the rest? Hardly worth it for either club considering rivalry/bad blood between clubs/supporters...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I imagine they'd just charge a fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
Would they even have a choice in the matter considering its the FAIs ground not Drogheda's..?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
Lads you're talking like this hasn't happened before
It wasnt an issue for the Malmo European game after the pitch works then. Also for a few games before we went to Gortakeegan. Its all speculative but there has to be some contingency if the pitch fails testing and the lease is up in the air. Newry Showgrounds would be my preference if we had to move for a bit. Only 10 minutes up the M1 so closest of the options.
Surely you wouldn't head into next season hoping the same pitch passes licensing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-34168569.htmlQuote:
The club have longer-term ambitions too, but they are complicated by a dispute over the lease on their Oriel Park ground with former owner Gerry Matthews.They cannot apply for government grants until they sort out an issue which revolves around a Youth Development Centre constructed on the site under his watch. Attempts at mediation have failed to secure an agreement.
Back-to-back league titles have boosted the Dundalk coffers, but they know that the substantial cost of refurbishing their dated home will devour profits.
And later this month, tests on their artificial pitch will determine what course of action is necessary in that department heading into 2016. The purchase of a hybrid pitch - which is made of synthetics and grass - is one option that is being considered.
However, the club's hierarchy are reluctant to plough large sums of money into the venue without control of the lease. The delay could damage their prospects of hosting next year's Champions League qualifier in the town and pose larger questions.
It could get sticky involving the IFA themselves & the FAI haven't got the greatest relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
We'll just throw in the Derry City example, especially as they have some temporary moving to do soon. They'd never be expected to move out of the city by the IFA during renovations like. Dundalk to Newry - that may seem too much like a border moving north but you never know...
I'm hearing a new Hybrid pitch is seriously being considered for next season, and the fact that its made of synthetics and grass will mean it can be installed fairly quickly.
However the lease issue and continuing talks between the current and old owners is still a major stumbling block on improvements being made. If this can be resolved, I`d love to see the main stand extended, that would solve the away end issue in one go, a new build behind the town goal would be ideal, but even with the club enjoying something of a bonanza in income streams, all of these projects will cost huge amounts of money, and that will dictate progress like everything else.
The Hybrid pitch is fast becoming the most popular pitch to install worldwide. Lansdowne Road and Croke Park already have it as well as numerous grounds across the UK.
It's quite expensive, but it's stupidly durable if looked after properly, which should suit the winter season to a tee.
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Originally Posted by Nesta99
Anyway for our pitch to go down, my preference would be Celtic Park next to our ground, that would depend on GAA allowing us of course
Any sign of the work actually happening to necessitate a move ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
It was all confirmed there about 2 weeks ago that planning was accepted and funding was obtained. They have already started work
Eh yeah! If the riverside is not made available by the IFA or without sanction then they are forcing a Derry move Donegal direction temporarily. By the time Celtic Park is made available after a motion is made and passed voting by GAA Ard Comhairle or whatever and also navigate all the other committees then objections and appeals are heard etc etc the Brandywell could be built in to a 40,000 all-seater at the rate of Finn Park. So if Derry have to move out of the Brandywell at any time during a season to facilitate any work they have to head west or get a positive reaction from 2 of the islands most entrenched and sectarian organisations to not be forced out of Derry City for fixtures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
I know that they demolished the Glentoran Stand but have they actually started work on building anything ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
No, they are starting by demolishing the perimeter wall, put fencing up around car park now. I'm not sure what the time scale of when rest will be started, all down to contractors now i'd assumeQuote:
Originally Posted by SeanDMRooney
If there's only one Irish team at euro2016 they might start to feel magnanimous towards the poor wee Mexicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Perish the thought.
There is no doubt that if RoI dont qualify it will be used by the IFA as justification that NI is relevant and rightly so I suppose. It might stem the tide of players of players defecting south not that there has been a stand out ex-NI youth being a major loss to to them in relation to the quality they add or added to us. McClean maybe, Gibson's head is all over the shop in general. Danny Kearns hasnt shown much development from his early rating. NI must be one of the top ranked teams as per head of population so credit where credit is due. To actually bring success to a demanding club like Rovers and now NI, well I initially really underestimated O'Neills move to Dublin from Brechin - easily the 2nd best managerial appointment of recent times in LoI after Stephen Kenny of course! All off topic i know.....I see that insurance is covering the cost of replacing the bocht stand at Windsor Park. Watching recent highlights of Linfield v Crues it is looking like a super little ground. Something of that size we could use here for the likes of Cup Finals of 25k attendances; If demand for extra capacity is needed move to Landsdowne. Is there any timescale on Dalymount - thinking of a Champions League Play-off next season and wouldnt like to have to head to Tallaght (when is the third stand planned for there?).
When the annopuncement was made about dalymount earlier this yr I remember the head of DCC said he wanted a redevelopment plan drafted by the end of this year. If that happens i'd expect redevelopment to begin some time next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Shamrock rvs hope to start work in 2016 and have the stand ready for use in 2017. I read it on some report the other day..
dont you mean SDCC.Quote:
Originally Posted by cob655
So any progress on any of the grounds or word on when work will start for Shamrock Rovers, Derry and Harps etc
AFAIK OUR the new stand is to be constructed in 2017.