I think we can trust Mick Martin not to grab the player by the lapels, thrust him against wall and call him a traitor for not deciding, there and then, to declare for the land of Caithleen.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
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I think we can trust Mick Martin not to grab the player by the lapels, thrust him against wall and call him a traitor for not deciding, there and then, to declare for the land of Caithleen.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Just listened to this and I hear a NI fan demanding that the FAI change their anthem. Is there an issue among the Irish public whereby they will not play for the team or feel uneasy about supporting the team because of the anthem?Quote:
Originally Posted by punkrocket
Then there's the question of "How many protestants are in the ROI team and how many Catholics are in the NI team?"... Where does one even start?
Those who disagree with the anthem, or NI's place in the UK, are "bigots".
The caller actually said "bigots in inverted commas". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
That's quite an intelligent leap forward.
I think he was my favourite caller. Not sure what the debate has got to with the FAI seeing as all people nationwide are generally delighted to get behind Ireland irrespective of their politics or religion. And we don't know how many Protestants are in our sides because, unlike somewhere else, one's religion isn't a matter of public note in the south. It really isn't an issue because, in contrast to its neighbour, the Irish state doesn't actually have a history of institutional sectarianism. It's probably difficult for someone so obsessed with religion and its related baggage in NI to even imagine that. If one really did want to know for absolute certain whether or not the FAI was a sectarian organisation, they could probably look to the selection of those of Irish nationality from Ulster Protestant, Maghrebi Arab, Turkish-German or Nigerian backgrounds to see that it isn't at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
See, that's the thing. Many NI fans seem to be unable to grasp this for some reason. Maybe it's a form of denial. To have no interest in the IFA's team isn't indicative of a sectarian bigot nor need it even be a sign of an individual who's rabidly opposed to the very existence of NI. To favour the FAI over the IFA is simply a natural expression of national identity for Irish nationalists in NI. To put it simply, it's to do with "love" for one thing rather than "hate" for something else. NI fans don't support Belgium, for example, not because they hold anti-Belgian sentiment, but simply because Belgium isn't their country. The IFA are similarly irrelevant to Irish nationalists in the sense they don't represent the identity of the nationalist community and, I would argue, will find it impossible to ever do so in the sense that they, by their existence, are inherently a British association.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
"bigot" seems to be a casual word thrown about by both "sides" to people who disagree with them.
There are two sides. And the right side.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
In my experience, those who have branded people bigots for objecting to GSTQ or for opting for the FAI have similarly scoffed at the legitimacy of the Irish nationality of the Irish state and seek to undermine it. Not once have I termed someone a bigot for supporting Northern Ireland or for wanting to keep GSTQ. Those who are most loudly making it an issue of bigotry and of sectarianism are the IFA's fans. It's amazing.
It had the faint sound of the archetypal moaning child, the "why always me" type.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
The debate has nothing to do with the FAI. A desperate case of whataboutery that isn't even relevant. It's a silly enough argument to raise, unless he's hoping that the FAI will eventually become the representative team for the whole island and if they adopted a new anthem, it would be a step in this direction. The spotlight is once again on the IFA and NI fans don't like the wider community questioning their wee team. Part of the reason why they only want IFA fans to contribute to discussion. Weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Are you referring generally because I don't think people casually throwing the word "bigot" around is all that prevalent here? Happy to be corrected on that though. Most people here are simply eager to support/defend the right of northern-born Irish nationals to declare for their country and acknowledge that whatever the IFA and NI fans want to do otherwise is the business of the IFA and NI fans. Nobody's out to have the IFA abolished, and especially not the FAI. Some here have even expressed good will towards the IFA and are generally happy to see their teams do well, believe it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
I don't think any Northern Ireland fan should be "demanding" that the South changes their Anthem - that's the business of the FAI and it's supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Likewise, I don't really care what Republic supporters think about our National Anthem - I do care what the IFA and our supporters think about it though.
On the score, I sense that we are entering the end game on the "Anthem debate" - not before time.
What do you think the outcome will be? Can we look forward to hearing a bit of Lightbody penned guff resounding around Windsor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
My main gripe with the anthem debate is that Future Chaser were given the cold shoulder by Armstrong.
I honestly don't know what the outcome will be - split camp at present.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
I hope the outcome is change.
I don't care who would write a new "sporting" Anthem, just so long as it was half decent and specifically Northern Irish.
I agree with you, Pred. I should have made it clear that I wasn't especially referring to this issue, but to the entire hornets nest that is Northern Irish politics, where "bigot" seems to be thrown around left right and centre. One example is on that radio programme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
The cooling off period has improved your humour, Fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
That radio piece was duller than dishwater, though Nolan without Nolan was an improvement.
Gerry has just realized in the last 4 months that there is an amount of dis-ease about GSTQ, amongst the fenian hoardes. Gerry had never came across the slightest hint of discord about the anthem before these 4 months. And now he reveals to the province, (yes he called the sacred wee country a province) that there are some Fenians who are disturbed about the anthem issue and maybe it's time to have a discussion. He reckons it must be the GFA that caused the discord - or did that come from another caller?
Phonecalls in on the anthem issue are allocated according to viewpoint based on the D'Hont method, so most people in NI will have got some representation.
Not just a simple pro or anti position. You have Billy calling everybody else bigots, those who don't agree with him. There's somebody who thinks things haven't changed since Neil Lennon was booed, threatened, shot and left for dead. There is the ordinary decent loyalist fan who readily accepts the need to change the football anthem. The ROI fan who doesn't care what they do at Windsor park, wild rotwielers wouldn't drag him there. Then a smattering of other opinions.
If they want to save a few bucks on residual royalties I'm near finished an App that writes Snow Patrol songs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
I reject the insinuation that it needed improving.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Hmmm, so that's.....Quote:
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= the DUP voter now leaning towards the TUV.Quote:
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= the Sinn Fein voter leaning towards Eirigi.Quote:
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= the UUP voter.Quote:
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= most nationalist voters.Quote:
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= Alliance, Green and Independent voters.Quote:
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http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/pub...efault/doh.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Came across two public polls, so I don't know who's been voting on them at all. A Facebook poll has 170 votes (86.7%) to 26 votes (13.3%) in favour of keeping 'God Save the Queen' whilst a Twitter poll has 75 votes (52%) to 70 votes (48%) in favour of dropping 'God Save the Queen'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Edit: There's nother on Facebook here which is pretty even; 46 votes to 45 in favour of keeping 'God Save the Queen'.
I voted in the Fermanagh and South Tyrone poll. Couldn't get there until 11pm, but luckily the booth was still open. Turnout of 103%.
My mate suggested I go in and show some support for the Queen. So I gave first preference to Tenement funster from the Sheer Heart Attack album.
What are you on about?? Apart from being obtusely unfunny.
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DI,
There's also the BT poll, though think you can vote multiple times. Which I may have done...
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