James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

Danny never rests.

Just like crime.

He never pays either.

Just like crime.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Give the same old sophistry a rest.

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"any mention of him on any other thread, other than "played/scored/booked/sent off for Villa" and you can have some time off to think about what you've done"

I responded by PM.

How about you respond to the questions or points that were put to you regarding Martinez and McCarthy/Coleman? And when I say 'respond', I mean to the specific points or questions that were actually put to you, not just another repetitive rant that doesn't actually deal with what you've been asked. You may have covered Danny in that PM, but myself and Tets have unanswered questions, to name two.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

It's up to the FAI, I presume, to insist on getting them checked. How is it Martinez's fault if they don't? Listen TOWK, you're making a lot of assumptions. The injuries may have been minor, but there may also have been a chance of aggravating the injuries. You're only speculating, guessing and assuming but basing it on very little. The injuries can't have been that minor if Martinez wasn't willing to risk two of his most important players for a crucial game at OT.

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Just to put things things in perspective, I have a minor running injury. I know I couldn't race tomorrow. I'd bet my life I could race on Wednesday. The margin between being fit and not fit is often marginal. That said I think Martinez was doing his best to persuade the players and FAI not to play last month. O'Neill clearly has some doubt and I'm sure will insist on a FAI assessment this time around.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

How about you respond to the questions or points that were put to you regarding Martinez and McCarthy/Coleman? And when I say 'respond', I mean to the specific points or questions that were actually put to you, not just another repetitive rant that doesn't actually deal with what you've been asked. You may have covered Danny in that PM, but myself and Tets have unanswered questions, to name two.

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No such luck. Just in case you were under the impression he might not be habitually dodging the points raised in this thread entirely, the PMs have got nothing to do with McCarthy/Coleman/Martinez. We were discussing solely the availability of the other unmentionable.

Sex, drugs or Gibson?

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I hope I didn't jinx it! :p



But nobody's stopping the FAI from deciding. The FAI are fully entitled to call James over for examination if there is an injury concern there. Why are you trying to foist responsibility for this onto Martinez? If he's bull****ting, the FAI doctor will call him up on it. Ergo, I don't think he's bull****ting because I don't think it would be worth his while to do so.



They both missed games for Everton due to the problems. And it's the fault of the FAI if the association didn't enforce their right to call them over.



What was the "bizarre stance" exactly and what gave you the impression that Martinez was trying to place pressure upon James? Did he express a stance at all? If indeed he was trying to pressure James (and I don't think he was), for someone who bears such influence over the lad, it clearly didn't work.



But it's still paranoia.



It's not up to Everton to send them. It's up to the FAI to call them over. There were clearly problems there. They missed crucial games due to the injuries/fatigue. How can you dismiss the veracity of the claims so nonchalantly when Martinez kept them out of his own squads? Grand deception, was it?...



I'm sure he would, but so what? That's his job. He's a football manager and his professional duty is to protect the interests of the football team he is managing and the interests of that team only. If those interests happen to clash with the interests of the FAI, it's up to the FAI to stand their ground. Martinez's wishes are irrelevant really. I don't know why you're making such an issue about him.

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The FAI took Martinez on his word in October. O'Neill has strongly hinted that he believes McCarthy & Coleman could have been available for the Germany game which subsequent events attested to. O'Neill has said he will demand the players be assessed by FAI doctors next time.

Yes. I know the FAI share culpability but that still wouldn't excuse Martinez exaggerating the seriousness of injuries. I never said they didn't miss the Man Utd game for no reason - that's just you twisting what I say again and putting words in my mouth. I said they could/should have recovered sufficiently for Germany game and/or allowed the FAI to make a decision on their availability.

At the time I remember Martinez encouraging a committed player to delay stamping his allegiance to Ireland. Some of his actions were very unhelpful at a delicate time during which we already had Trapattoni making incendiary statements and insinuations about the player.

Your opinion.

I already posited that Martinez rested them for the Man Utd game because it was on the eve of an Intl. break and with them not linking up with the Ireland squad, they could get an extended rest. E.G. Liverpool rested half their first team for a crucial away game with Real Madrid. It's not unheard of for big teams contending with thin squads and growing injury lists to rotate players occasionally. It's an opinion.

Already commented on that above but the FAI's diplomacy/incompetence doesn't excuse Martinez behavior and merely serve to add flames to the fire when he already has history with the FAI.

@ DeLorean Don't know why you are bringing up Tets. It's not me bringing up something that has been explicitly prohibited. To try and get a reaction? Didn't work.

@ Danny I tried PM'ing you to maintain a little bit of decorum and diplomacy about things but you obviously can't contain yourself when it comes to making unnecessarily patronising, condescending and insulting comments about my opinions and posts.

As is your right.

Anyway, Everton assessing him tomorrow, Martinez hopeful it's fatigue rather than a tear of some kind. Just like he said last month!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...land-1.1994055

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Anyway, Everton assessing him tomorrow, Martinez hopeful it's fatigue rather than a tear of some kind. Just like he said last month!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...land-1.1994055

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It says the following:

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Originally Posted by The Irish Times

[O]’Neill is set to name his final squad later this evening from the 36-strong provisional list named for the Scotland game and the friendly internationals against the USA.

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I'm assuming that means tomorrow evening an that article is for the Monday paper.

What's the betting on McCarthy? I say in, though with little conviction!

I'm with you on this one. Definitely in. McCarthy and McGeady to combine to score the winner

The sheer magnitude of his desire to play in this game will sort out any petty fitness issues.

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

I'm with you on this one. Definitely in. McCarthy and McGeady to combine to score the winner

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As long as tricky doesn't put 10p on it then it's a good bet.

That's defo a 50p bet in anyone's language.

If Tricky was having that bet, it would be 50p e/w, followed by hours of anguish about how he could spread the risk.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

@ DeLorean Don't know why you are bringing up Tets. It's not me bringing up something that has been explicitly prohibited. To try and get a reaction? Didn't work.

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Seriously? I think it was pretty obvious I mentioned Tets (and Danny) because, like me, they had questions that you chose to let hang there. Of all your traits, I find it the most annoying. I see you've gone on to deal with the most of them though in your more recent post.

Okay, so you accept that Coleman and McCarthy were injured very close to the time that our internationals were on, but you assume to know that they were fit in time for the German game? How could you possibly know this? It's pure guess work. Martinez is going to do what he feels is best for Everton, that's not a stick to beat him with. If you're right, and the two lads were fit and fully able to play, then I'd be far more disappointed in Coleman and McCarthy than I would be annoyed with Martinez.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

If you're right, and the two lads were fit and fully able to play, then I'd be far more disappointed in Coleman and McCarthy than I would be annoyed with Martinez.

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Couldnt have said it better myself

True, but it still doesn't stop me thinking Martinez is playing silly buggers though. I worked for a company in North Carolina once. Before I joined my NYC mate warned me of "southern grin fcukers". I had never heard the term, meaning someone who is all smiley and nice but a Macchiavellian cnut behind your back. All the hysteria earlier in this thread makes me think of Martinez in that light. My instinct is to like him, but I can't be sure.

I'd hire him to be my club manager any day of the week though.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

The FAI took Martinez on his word in October. O'Neill has strongly hinted that he believes McCarthy & Coleman could have been available for the Germany game which subsequent events attested to.

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If you (or O'Neill) think Martinez is a suspect character or that he wasn't being completely honest on that occasion, more fool the FAI for taking him on his word when they have the power to call players over for medical assessment. Did O'Neill "strongly hint" that be believed that? Didn't he say he'd spoken with Coleman who told him he wasn't fit, and O'Neill was satisfied with that? And subsequent events do not attest to the claim that they could have been available at all. What subsequent events are you referring to?

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Yes. I know the FAI share culpability but that still wouldn't excuse Martinez exaggerating the seriousness of injuries.

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Who cares about Martinez? He's irrelevant insofar as the FAI have rights to bypass him here.

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I never said they didn't miss the Man Utd game for no reason - that's just you twisting what I say again and putting words in my mouth. I said they could/should have recovered sufficiently for Germany game and/or allowed the FAI to make a decision on their availability.

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How would you know if they could or should have recovered sufficiently? Are you a doctor? Did you examine them?

Nobody was disallowing the FAI to make a decision on their availability, so I don't know why you keep trying to give the impression that the FAI were wronged here or something. If the FAI didn't make a decision, it's because of their own failings; not because Martinez put hurdles in their way.

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At the time I remember Martinez encouraging a committed player to delay stamping his allegiance to Ireland. Some of his actions were very unhelpful at a delicate time during which we already had Trapattoni making incendiary statements and insinuations about the player.

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I want specifics. What did he say and what actions? If he was trying to sideline or postpone the "international allegiance issue", it was most likely because he saw it as a silly distraction to McCarthy's club football generally; not because he had some problem with McCarthy committing to Ireland specifically. You seem to think Martinez owes us something or has some duty to be helpful to us at all times. He has his own business to take care of. So long as the FAI (and our players) stick up for our interests, that's all we can ask.

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I already posited that Martinez rested them for the Man Utd game because it was on the eve of an Intl. break and with them not linking up with the Ireland squad, they could get an extended rest. E.G. Liverpool rested half their first team for a crucial away game with Real Madrid. It's not unheard of for big teams contending with thin squads and growing injury lists to rotate players occasionally. It's an opinion.

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But it just doesn't seem plausible. Martinez took six points off United last season. There's no reason why he wouldn't have seen that game as very much winnable with his best team out, so resting McCarthy and Coleman if they were indeed match fit just wouldn't make sense. They failed pre-match fitness tests anyway - or Coleman did, at least - so they weren't even in the squad. If they were fit and he was simply resting them, he'd most likely have had them on the bench as potential options just in case they were ever needed, would you not think? Brendan Rodgers rested half his team away to Real for conservation reasons as he knew he hadn't a hope in hell of winning the game anyway.

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Already commented on that above but the FAI's diplomacy/incompetence doesn't excuse Martinez behavior and merely serve to add flames to the fire when he already has history with the FAI.

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He's irrelevant. He's fully entitled to do his own job and protect his own interests. He doesn't owe us good behaviour.

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@ Danny I tried PM'ing you to maintain a little bit of decorum and diplomacy about things but you obviously can't contain yourself when it comes to making unnecessarily patronising, condescending and insulting comments about my opinions and posts.

As is your right.

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Well, give over about it and stop moaning about being victimised and other such nonsense.

Honest to God, like... Decorum and diplomacy? It's not as if we were discussing anything remotely "private" or in need of containment for such reasons; just a finer detail of a matter we've discussed to death already in the public arena to tets' nuisance. Anyway, you're one to talk given the trying, undignified, insincere and downright frustrating manner through which you've consistently conducted yourself on here. You've tested my patience, TOWK, and I have a low tolerance for your fallacies. I want to offer an olive branch of good will - I really do - and I keep questioning whether I'm being a bit hard on you because you keep complaining so loudly about it (and I have to ask myself why I'm allowing myself to get so wound up at times in the first place), but I'm really not convinced yet that you're interested in discussing matters in good faith. I should stop trying to convince myself of your ability to change. If you stopped being so disingenuous, I'd have very little to resent, or "patronise", as you think I'm doing.

I think it'd be quite nice to beat Scotland without McCarthy.

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Originally Posted by stuttgart88

i think it'd be quite nice to beat scotland.

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fixed!

Is it just me that wants to see TOWK v DannyI in a boxing match at half time v USA with POSH as referre(how else would we know what really happened unless he was there). Amazeballs

Who would be the ref, Dick Towell?

http://funnystack.com/wp-content/upl...-Boxing-2.jpeg

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Originally Posted by joe_denilson

As long as tricky doesn't put 10p on it then it's a good bet.

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Could be a good bet, I note McCarthy is riding high in the stats charts,

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252...ague-2014-2015
So he is the 27th best player in the Premiership. Also note worthy is Richard Dunne who is just 100 places behind him at #127

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Could be a good bet, I note McCarthy is riding high in the stats charts,

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252...ague-2014-2015
So he is the 27th best player in the Premiership. Also note worthy is Richard Dunne who is just 100 places behind him at #127

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Just get out....

Tets can we get a week long ban for tricky too?

from what I've seen lately, tricky's been picked on as much as he's raised a few heckles

I'm running the "tricky's random bets" joke into the ground. TC, knock the random bet quotes on the head. Everyone else, stop mentioning tricky's random bets.

10p says nobody stops.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

from what I've seen lately, tricky's been picked on as much as he's raised a few heckles

I'm running the "tricky's random bets" joke into the ground. TC, knock the random bet quotes on the head. Everyone else, stop mentioning tricky's random bets.

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Tets moustache is beginning to look more "Adolf" than Charlie*. Boo-urns

* i meán chaplin, not Darwin who is evolutionarly hilarious.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

from what I've seen lately, tricky's been picked on as much as he's raised a few heckles

I'm running the "tricky's random bets" joke into the ground. TC, knock the random bet quotes on the head. Everyone else, stop mentioning tricky's random bets.

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That's like saying we can't talk about Termonbarry, umbrellas, mypost, rockets, no direct buses, skud missile, walls, cockroaches, asterix-ing a club in North Wicklow's name, calling Shams- Rovers to annoy Sligo fans, talking about biscuit tins and Ollie, Bohs and the double-sale, Derry and the double-accounts, appending 2010 to Derry City, calling it the Flansiro, appending 2010 to Cork City, Roddy never getting relegated, Cork's incredible free-kick record in 2014 ... all the things that make foot.ie the best darn corner of the internet in which to talk about football.

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

That's like saying we can't talk about Termonbarry, umbrellas, mypost, rockets, no direct buses, skud missile, walls, cockroaches, asterix-ing a club in North Wicklow's name, calling Shams- Rovers to annoy Sligo fans, talking about biscuit tins and Ollie, Bohs and the double-sale, Derry and the double-accounts, appending 2010 to Derry City, calling it the Flansiro, appending 2010 to Cork City, Roddy never getting relegated, Cork's incredible free-kick record in 2014 ... all the things that make foot.ie the best darn corner of the internet in which to talk about football.

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Wasn't Bray Wanderers banned too? I'm sure you missed that Bonnie! And what's wrong with discussing umbrellas unless your name is Georgi Markov?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Anyway, Everton assessing him tomorrow, Martinez hopeful it's fatigue rather than a tear of some kind. Just like he said last month!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...land-1.1994055

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Would "tired of thinking of excuses" qualify as fatigue?

I'm not looking for pity and i am not playing the victim, Danny. You have insulted me in several posts, you are constantly attacking my opinions, you keep making accusations about my motivations for posting and it's devaluing everything else you have to say. Was that polite enough? You can argue points without belittling someone and throwing your toys out of the pram.

Anymore, when it concerns contentious issues, i'm not going to bother dignifying your posts with a response and hopefully you'll do the same, because i imagine it is as frustrating for everyone else as it is for us. It's an exorcise in sadomasochism trying to reason with you!

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

I'm not looking for pity and i am not playing the victim, Danny. You have insulted me in several posts, you are constantly attacking my opinions, you keep making accusations about my motivations for posting and it's devaluing everything else you have to say. Was that polite enough? You can argue points without belittling someone and throwing your toys out of the pram.

Anymore, when it concerns contentious issues, i'm not going to bother dignifying your posts with a response and hopefully you'll do the same, because i imagine it is as frustrating for everyone else as it is for us. It's an exorcise in sadomasochism trying to reason with you!

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I don't know what exorcism has to do with it, but it's a start at least that you acknowledge taking some of your pleasure from the infliction of pain upon others... You do know what sadomasochism is, right? Otherwise, fair enough. Do what you must.

It's not any lack of politeness that grates with me, though, and you know that rightly. Even now you're disingenuously playing dumb to it by asking if you're being polite enough, as if that was ever an issue.

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Originally Posted by gastric

Wasn't Bray Wanderers banned too? I'm sure you missed that Bonnie! And what's wrong with discussing umbrellas unless your name is Georgi Markov?

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Club in North Wicklow buddy boy!

AC Milan (and Inter, it seems) interested in McCarthy, according to the Daily Star: http://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/...james-mccarthy

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Originally Posted by Sean Ferguson

It’s been a busy day for Everton’s transfer rumours, especially considering the transfer window is more than a month and a half away.

The Daily Star have unfortunately reported that AC Milan are interested in James McCarthy.

The British-based red top go so far as to say that McCarthy’s representatives were in Italy last week to talk to both Milan clubs – sounds a lot like ‘paper talk’ in my opinion.

The AC Milan boss has been described as a ‘huge admirer’ of the 23 year-old but has also been linked with Real Madrid’s Asier Illaramendi.

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Manchester United are said to interested as well, although there is a potential new contract at Everton possibly on the table, so perhaps these are no more than agent rumours drip-fed to the media to ensure he gets as good an offer from Everton as is possible.

I don't where Man Utd would find a place for McCarthy in the system Van Gaal is going with, they have plenty of central midfield options as it stands. Unless McCarthy has a shadow career as a central defender.

Not sure Inter or Milan could afford the transfer fee, although he would be on the lower level of pay that they can compete with.

TOWK; I went and dug up a comment by Martinez on the "international alliegiance issue" and this is what he had said in 2010: http://greenscene.me/2011/01/trapatt...thy-in-quotes/

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Originally Posted by Roberto Martinez

I spoke to James and told him he should not listen to anybody. You need to listen to your feeling about where you want to be playing. I know that in Scotland they made a huge meal out of it and they let him know how they felt and probably that could make a bearing on his decision. It is important for any player as representing your country is probably where you are going to be achieving your biggest memories of your career going into World Cups or European Championships. But I have said to James he needs to make his own decision. The moment you allow people to influence your decision, you are going to make a wrong decision. He is playing for the Under-21s for Republic of Ireland and he has a clear idea of that at the moment. He has played in Scotland for many years, so he understands the football feeling around that country, so I am sure James will come up with the right decision. I think he should not listen to anyone; maybe his mum and maybe his environment. But I know that in Scotland they made a huge meal out of it and they let him know how they felt when he chose Republic of Ireland and probably that could make a bearing on his decision. But James is a very mature boy. He is an impressive character and, if he listens to his feeling, he will make the right decision.

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What's your issue with that exactly? I don't sense any pressure in that either way. He was clearly asked about the possibility of James playing for either Scotland or Ireland at senior level and gave a fairly balanced and diplomatic answer, despite acknowledging James' "clear idea" with Ireland. If you think there was pro-SFA persuasion going on there, you're being paranoid. Martinez advised James to ignore the media; to make his own decision and not listen to anybody else besides maybe his family and those close to him. It's a fairly neutral admission that it's not something Martinez should have any say in. In fact, he even states that "a meal" was made of the issue in Scotland. Such terminology is invariably used in a negatively critical sense, as far as I'm concerned. The main concern of Martinez - it is obvious - was the possible distraction of the matter to James' club career rather than the specific possibility of him playing for Ireland.

So, no Twitter action from the Irish hacks on who did what in training today, who played, who sat it out, who got a scan etc?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

So, no Twitter action from the Irish hacks on who did what in training today, who played, who sat it out, who got a scan etc?

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Just a snap of training, which Ward, Whelan and McCarthy sat out: https://twitter.com/FM104/status/532131253034971136

I'm pretty sure seeing new posts in this thread between now and Friday will give me a coronary every single time!