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The Ireland scenario is different though. The case has been made before: if, say, a Polish person was brought up his whole life I would have absolutely no problem if he chose them over us. It's the individual's choice and that choice should be respected. I wouldn't like being told I should play for one country over another by someone who didn't even know me.
if stephen kelly had chosen libya there would be no harsh feelings on my part, same with eamonn zayed.
What if Robbie Keane had english roots and had declared for them???Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
any player. i can understand this feeling that james mccarthy has, i have Ukrainian roots, came to ireland in the late 50's, and even though I haven't been submersed in the culture or anything i would still feel some sort of bond, i can just imagine the impact of a grandfather telling his grandson about his homeland would have.
I think the McCarthy case is complicated by the sectarian issue. If a Scots born player elected to play for Italy or Bolivia I dont think there would be anything like the same level of hostility and passion. But there again what would people here do if there was a United Irish team and an NI born player chose to play for England or Scotland?
Would'nt bother me. Its an individuals choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
http://i36.tinypic.com/rifdxk.jpg
What a stupid older boy Ally Ross is.I assume mr Ross has had some education even to achieve the status of tabloid journalist.It goes to show a supposedly educated man can still be a moron.
Scotland would be much better asking why as a society these two young footballers did not identify with the scottish nation if one exists(i believe that it does)
It is so much easier to lash out that to have a look at ones own short comings and to rectify them
The reference to "Scottish politeness" and how English fans might have reacted to a similar situation is particularly bizzare. As far as I can recollect Aldridge, Larwenson, Townend et al were never subjected to any fan or media abuse and niether were the numerous English-born Scottish internationals like Bob Wilson, Bruce Rioch, David Speedie. Presumambly Ross regared these as shameful turncoast who should never have been allowed to don the blueshirt.
Loud boos for McCarthy today from the Rangers fans every time he gets the ball.
AHAHAHAHA. The hurt is tangible.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Apparently the Rangers fans changed the words of the famine song to sing:
Why don't you go home,
why don't you go ho-o-ome,
James McCarthy, why don't you home.
They wouldn't be booing him if he chose any other country but Ireland yet they say they're not anti-Irish.
Hopefully that kind of behaviour will be just another reason not to play for Scotland! I doubt there is any country quite as bigoted, they're around 15-20 years behind most of the Western world!Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Anyone see the game? Howd he play?
Is that the same fans that sing GSTQ at Rangers games, yet boo the same anthem when they support scotland:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
a significant section don't boo GSTQ and a small minority of Rangers fans support England.
What is the problem here, It is up to him to play for who he wants, why fans boo, I do not know, You do not see any Irish boo any Irish players that played for other nations. :D
Kieran Bracken (English scrum half) got booed off the pitch at Lansdowne Road because he had played schoolboy rugby for Ireland. Different codes I know but it was still Irish fans at Lansdowne Road. And how many times have we heard Rangers players being roundly booed at Irish international soccer games at Landowne Road??!! Several times from my recollectionQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
I find that disgraceful when the fans do that, I always feel ashamed, cause Celtic and Rangers are British clubs and nothing to do with Ireland in my opinion despite the creation, just because they setup by an Irish priest, does not make them Irish.
does that fact that there are more tricolours on display every week at Celtic than there ever is at Irish home games not make them a bit Irish....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
Absolutely as does the tricolours at Everton and Sunderland yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
The fact that they are based in Britain, play in a British league and pay their taxes to a British queen means nothing.
I beleive some Celtic supporters coming back to Dublin from Manchester during the week were very upset at the number of Irish Man Utd fans their and laughing at the pathetic opposition. Well guys if they are going to support a British team they may as well support a good one.
Believe what you want. I've yet to meet a Celtic fan that thinks Irish people should be obliged to support Celtic. It's ridiculous. I'm sure that's a made up story because when you support Celtic in this country it's not long before you realise how few supporters there are and you get used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Anyway, James McCarthy. He was booed yesterday by anti-Irish scum. That's more of a topic.
This thread is about James McCarthy who plays for Hamilton Ac.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
The last time the Famine Song was in the news you were of the firm belief that it was just directed at Celtic fans and not the Irish.
I see that you are you not using the same "only banter" argument this time:rolleyes:
Many of celtic supporters are either Irish immigrants ,children or grand children of Irish immigrants.Celtic football club became very important to these people in a country that they were often given a hard time as unappreciated immigrants.Most of these immigrants were pre-celtic tiger days.Has anyone seen or heard from that tiger recently!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
Donegal TD Joe McHugh has requested a reaction from the Scottish First Minister to the abuse handed out to Jamie McCarthy, according to this article from today's tribune: http://i36.tinypic.com/30sx2lg.jpg
Article from a freelance journalist (Irish Post etc) about his interest in James and the times we live in.
Show hypocrisy the red card.
Perhaps you can remind where I claimed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
My point on the famine song was that it involved fans of one British club slagging off another British club and should not involve another government (eg ours).
Of course I don't like to see opposition fans boo a young Irish player. I'd love to see him get a transfer to a bigger club in a much bigger league.
Brilliant article; best I've read in a long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Yes, you argued that it was one set of fans slagging another which equates to "banter" however ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
You argued that the Famine song was just directed at Celtic.
Even as others vainly tried to point out to you, that it was not just Celtic, it was anti Irish.
Looks like the evidence is starting to pile up though :rolleyes:
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Fans of 2 British football teams sing offensive songs about each other. One makes a derogatory reference to an event which happened here and suddenly our government is involves which associates our country with one of the teams.
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The song is meant to be offensive to Celtic fans.
or "they" does not equal "Catholic" or even "Ireland" it equals "Celtic"
lads nothing will happen to Rangers over this. Nobody has the balls to do anything. Can you imagine if they were singing an anti black or anti jew song?
Let us not forget that their fans smashed up Manchester last May (costing the local council vast sums of money in a clean up operation) and got off lightly. "Those lads in the blue rangers shirts weren't our fans" they shouted or "it was only a small minority". The same will apply here.
Well it's gathering a bit more pace over here. Todays Times review of the Hamilton Rangers game was mainly a denouncement of the visiting fans merciless abuse of McCarthy and the contrast with the Kris Boyd situation with Scotland. At least that paper with the likes of Graham Speirs on board isn't afraid to put the boot in when required, as opposed their counterparts at the scottish dailies who ignore the neanderthal abuse pouring from the stands.
SFA also getting involved now, but knowing them any action taken will have to include some sort of 'equaliser' or cop out.
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Originally Posted by geysir
no it doesn't and you will know it. You've been caught out now please withdraw your comments.
Excellent articleQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Today's Times article hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
The teenage Glaswegian also had to put up with graphic visual demonstrations from the Rangers fans occupying two stands about what they thought of him, while his name was added to The Famine Song. No doubt some players view that sort of “stick” as proof that they are doing a good job if the opposition fans are wound up, but most Rangers fans would not recognise McCarthy in the street and some even mistook him for James McArthur, his midfield colleague, because they booed the Scotland Under21 player when his name was read out.
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Originally Posted by gspain
Not at all, my comments stand strong.
Reminds me when we played Denmark in a friendly a few years back at Lansdowne. Stadium announcer named a Danish substitute as Peter Lovenkrands and he was booed out of the stadium - even though it was someone completely different. Poor bloke looked very confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
Anyway it's idiotic where ever it happens, for whatever reason.
There was a very similar article about Mcarthy & Mcgeady in The Daily Record a little whileback typical Redtop trash as in the Sun article you posted. This stuff just helps fan the flames of the scum who spend their time booing them........Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment...6908-20755330/
"James McCarthy is a country bumpkin"
"McCarthy and McGeady have made the biggest mistake of their football lives, and they'll have to live with it. It's like becoming a Goth at 17 and not being able to remove the eyeliner and Sisters Of Mercy T-shirt when you're 47.
Celtic's Irish fans say that "Scots-born Irishmen" should be allowed to make their own decisions. Only one problem.
McGeady and McCarthy are Scots-born Scots."
Taken from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5019831.ece
At least McCarthy, whose touch and energy underlined why Giovanni Trapattoni is likely to give him his full debut for Ireland this month, has stuck with the country that first offered him the chance to play international football and capped him at four age levels.
Will he get his debut against Poland?
Trap is recently quoted as saying he will give consideration to capping McCarthy at senior level.
"I think we will have a possibility to look at him," he added, with clear reference to the Poland game. "I think we will choose him, and I am always positive."
havnt missed a home game since '85 but i obviously missed this. complete rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000