Are you sure he isn't a wealthy property developer from Arkaga?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
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Are you sure he isn't a wealthy property developer from Arkaga?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
Jesus they're onto a winner if they've managed to get him on board...Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
Great to see when some charity trickles down to the LOI from Irish ppl who've "made it".
Always grates with me a little bit when i see Irish ppl investing in British clubs. Even if their purely interested in making a profit, surely for a millionaire there's much more chance of a ROI if you take over a LOI team and get them into CL qualifiers than trying to succeed with a British team...
Enough people have tried and failed already...Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
...what's one more I suppose?
So in essence the difference is you call the businessmen putting money into cork and harps sponsors and the businessmen putting money into limerick and pats businessmen??Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
6 of 1 half dozen of the other really. From looking at the costs of running a LOI club there isn't a hope any team can be run in this country based on fans alone. Where could a group of fans come up with between €200,000 and €1.5m? So you either need a lot of sponsors or a few rich businessmen. Ideally a combination of bothQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I prefer a few (as few as possible) rich businessmen. Megalomania is more entertaining, just look at last season. :ball:
Precisely. For example, McGettigans tried to take over Bray and become the main financial backers there. They simply sponsor Harps. If you cannot see the difference in that, then I'm afraid there's no hope for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
It's really not the same at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
I've never suggested that any club is run solely based on fans. Even the likes of Harps, with one of the smallest budgets in the clubs history, still needed sponsorship from local businesses and more importantly, that of McGettigans as the main sponsor.
Fabio O'Brien is a new addition to our back room staff.
I see the difference.
I absolutely don't see the point you're trying to make.
Why is it not the same?
Harps despite the smallest budget in history (less than a fifth of Freddie halls wages I'm told) still need their "sponsors" Pats still need their "businessman"
We agree short to medium term deals with sponsors. We have a group of them at any one time. Some will continue to sponsor us for several years at a time, some will sponsor us for a single year. They have no obligation to us beyond their contract but they are obligated to put in a set amount of money during the term of that contract (obviously it is possible that some will break their contracts for various reasons).
When those deals are up we are free to negotiate with them for improved terms if warranted, or to look elsewhere. We will have a fair idea of which sponsors are likely to renew their deals allowing us to seak replacements.
Clusb who rely on one individual are completely at the whim of that individual. POS doesn't have a fixed term contract. He himself decides how much money he will contribute, and he can simply stop putting that money in mid season (as Arkaga did with City) or he can choose to reduyce teh amount of his investment from one season to the next (as he did at the start of the 2015 season).
If only Monaghan Utd had had this wisedom............Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
What he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
So there's no real difference bar your straw man about medium term deals.
Glad that's cleared up. :good:
Also, afaik Limericks, Derry, Pats etc actively seek and indeed in some cases have, sponsors!
Hard to believe I know but I heard a rumour.
It's more difficult trying to explain this to you than it is the theory of evolution to a priest.
Depending on how much money the sponsor was reneging on/not renewing, it might not be that simple at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
And if those contracts broken were for significant amounts that had been factored into a budget, the club would be screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
As for the rest of your paragraph, do you think Limerick are not also looking for sponsorship?
If those contracts were broken of course we would be screwed, though we woudl have legal recourse. Has a sponsor ever pulled out mid season before? A major one?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I'm sure you are looking for sponsors, but you rely havily on POS. That was apparent at the start of this past season. He reduced his investment and that cost you your spot in the Premier Division. I'm surprised at the response to this.
If Clonakilty decided they wanted to scale back their investment we would have forewarning and could go looking for a replacement.
I don't disagree with what you say, but the division of clubs into sponsor-based or investment-based is way too neat and simplistic, and the ease with which sponsors are 'simply' found and replaced is being exaggerated.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Well, of course, the biggest difference in the models is who actually runs the clubs.
It's usually the businessmen putting in their sheckles in the 'traditional' model - and, yes, they also chase sponsorships.
In the fans-owned or co-op model, ultimately it's the fans who call the shots.
I'll throw this in here as it's somewhat LOI transfer related and I don't want to start a new thread!
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime...brom-1.2437031
I'm sure Tom Coughlan wouldn't have been involved in anything underhanded and it's all a misunderstanding.
The reduced investment in the team last year was because last November they started to realise the markets field was most likely not going to be ready for the start of the season so they scaled it back. Then in January they scaled it back again as they heard there would be a longer delay again. Then they had to organise Jackman Park for the start of the season which from what I heard was not cheap so again there was another scaling back of the budget. That was three times they had to adjust the budget. To allow for most likely smaller crowds and the extra costs of Jackman Park and getting it some way up to scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Would that have been any different if it was sponsors money rather than Pats money? Who knows. With the Markets Field continually falling through the club were actually finding it hard to get more sponsorship in.
Basically the way I look at it is whether money is coming from sponsors, from one man, or a collective of businessmen, clubs in the LOI are still on a knifes edge and anyone could potentially fold or have to scale back to a complete amateur set up at any stage.
Aymen Ben Mohamed gone to Bohs, along with Kurtis Byrne.
Signed for Dundee UnitedQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukejennings99
Those signings have been officially announced. Not sure if the kieran Marty Waters signing is going ahead /has gone ahead. Three massive additions to the existing squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
If they get Marty Waters too Bohs attack is lookin decent for next yr. And they seem to have re-signed the GK and most of the defence too. If they could just upgrade CM too they'd really be lookin good for next yr. They were a bit long-ball-ish at times last season. Lopes is a great worker and very committed but he's lacking in quality on the ball to be a top CM. Apparently Keelan Dillon has fallen out of favour too. Anyone heard if they're lookin to bring in any CMs?
Havent heard any CM rumours. Would love to see Ward come back from Dundalk( is he still there?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Wearen on form is a good CM. Keelan Dillon fell out of favour with the fans before the manager, had a terrible second half of the season.
Rumour that Stokes going on loan to Rovers from a Glasgow club, possibly a football club. Lock up your kitbag Nutsy!
Went to Sligo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
saved me havin to post about KYM.From readin in the Sun I was under the impression that he was joinin us.so that has dashed our hopes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Not sure about Treacy probably squad filler, Timlin could be decent but don't know a lot about Kelly.Quote:
@stpatsfc: We have agreed terms for 2016 with Mark Timlin, Keith Treacy and Graham Kelly.
Filler is right!!
you might have to fill the fridge in training to keep Tracey interested.
Are pats trying to break their own record for the "fattest fu**in footballer" award after their previous signing who's name escapes me but who lost his contract cos he was a bit too rotund
michael somebody I think
Michael (Fatboy) Keane that would be. Maybe Treacy will knuckle down and get fit. Possible decent signing if he does. We'll see. Timlin from Derry looks quite good.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Kealon Dillon has just followed LTFC on Twitter. Make of that what you will!
Fixed that for you :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Treacy a squad player?Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
He will either get properly fit and be outstanding or remain grossly overweight and fail to even make the bench.
My money is on the later
They probably wouldn't put him on the bench, well if it was reinforced maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
But seriously though, if he gets fit, could be a very good signing.
Looks like gaynor is on the way out with rovers and pats interested
Keane and Treacy actually have a lot in common
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-26461322.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30953134.html
Dillon has signed for LTFC. It hasn't been announced yet but that's another story.
Gaynor is horrific. If anyone doubts me re watch the fai cup final. All he does is clip balls down the line to absolutely know body and is afraid to head the ball, it's embarrassing. Yes he can cross a ball but that doesn't take away from the fact that he gives ball away 8/10 times. Was the same at Sligo.
Another signing for Town apparently. John McKeown from Cabinteely. Their captain last year.
https://www.the-newshub.com/football...d-challenge985
Cork's best player, by some distance. He's not a left back though.Quote:
Originally Posted by noddy102