Ireland V Germany(A) 11th October & Kazakhstan(H) 15th October 2013 - World Cup '14 Q

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15/10/2013, 11:21 AM
ArdeeBhoy

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Christ no wonder we don't have players turning out for Man Utd, Arsenal etc nowadays if that is the prevalent attitude within the squad. I liked Strachan's comment on the BBC website about how his players need to start working harder and stop feeling sorry for themselves about how difficult it is with the number of foreign imports in the game.

Good point about WGS but seriously, besides the odd possible squad player, none of the Irish first XI are good enough, for say the top 6 EPL clubs.
With the rider, hopefully Everton will come 7th with Gibson/McCarthy as regulars for club & country.
15/10/2013, 11:21 AM
ifk101

We were the third seeds in the group. Hardly unreasonable to expect us to be competitive in a group of 6 teams and to pick up more than 2 points out of 12 against the second seeds (Sweden) and the fourth seeds (Austria).
15/10/2013, 1:08 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

The old "lower expectations" and "we haven't got the players" arguments are strawmen. We absolutely do have the players to at least compete for second spot and to not make the football look like a hot potato.

If the players themselves believe they're not good enough to compete for second spot in a qualifying group then they should question how much they're earning.

You would expect journalists to point this out. Who else gets close enough to raise these points.
15/10/2013, 1:26 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Given that his name is Gorman I would have initially guessed there were Jewish origins there as the Irish diaspora in Kazakhstan isn't one of our more famous invasions.

There�s a good few Gormans in Israel. Nothing to do with our lads. I learnt this after watching the Dave Gorman Collection on BBC 2 about ten years ago.

http://www.hebrewsurnames.com/GORMAN

But do you know why this is? Jews just adopt common names depending on where they live. It's as simple as looking at registry. Strange its in Israel itself, my guess would be these people moved back to "the motherland"
15/10/2013, 1:48 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

You would expect journalists to point this out. Who else gets close enough to raise these points.

There may be a sound-proof bubble around FAI headquarters. I found it very disconcerting that neither the FAI nor King were aware of the seeding situation for Euro 2016 and the implications that other results tonight, as well as our own, might have on our future seeding status. In fact, the FAI provided King with complete misinformation - he was inexplicably informed that tonight's fixtures would have no bearing on our future seeding - and I understand it was the media who pointed this out as incorrect during an interview/press conference with King the other day. How on earth did the FAI arrive at such a misunderstanding? Incompetence would be to not bother your arse finding out about something that will fairly obviously have a direct bearing on your future fortunes, but to actually impart inaccurate information to our interim manager is unfathomable.

Surely the FAI employ researchers of some sort to uncover and study the various possibilities, consequences and permutations of results? Even a chap to read the papers and sift through the forums every now and again could prove vital in terms of picking up on obscure insights or even potentially eligible players.
15/10/2013, 2:00 PM
DannyInvincible

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

But do you know why this is? Jews just adopt common names depending on where they live. It's as simple as looking at registry. Strange its in Israel itself, my guess would be these people moved back to "the motherland"

It's a bit like the Arabic surname of Maher.
15/10/2013, 2:06 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

There may be a sound-proof bubble around FAI headquarters. I found it very disconcerting that neither the FAI nor King were aware of the seeding situation for Euro 2016 and the implications that other results tonight, as well as our own, might have on our future seeding status. In fact, the FAI provided King with complete misinformation - he was inexplicably informed that tonight's fixtures would have no bearing on our future seeding - and I understand it was the media who pointed this out as incorrect during an interview/press conference with King the other day. How on earth did the FAI arrive at such a misunderstanding? Incompetence would be to not bother your arse finding out about something that will fairly obviously have a direct bearing on your future fortunes, but to actually impart inaccurate information to our interim manager is unfathomable.

Surely the FAI employ researchers of some sort to uncover and study the various possibilities, consequences and permutations of results? Even a chap to read the papers and sift through the forums every now and again could prove vital in terms of picking up on obscure insights or even potentially eligible players.

From what I know of ybig, there already is one of the FAI on their forum. Which makes it even worse.
15/10/2013, 3:03 PM
Charlie Darwin

Haven't had a chance to look back on the match yet, but my impression watching it live was mixed. I have to say I was baffled by the selection and feared the worst from the first moment, but while Doyle looked hopelessly exposed on the left and Kelly little better, by and large we played as well as we have against a top nation in years. No matter what Ronnie Whelan says, it was far from the worst Irish performance in years, when you have Cyprus and Russia home and away to consider. Thought Whelan played very well, Wilson was a good screen but Gibson and McCarthy were anonymous barring a couple of probing passes from the former. Stokes' movement is really, really good but he is still very green at this level and I think it will take him time to become international quality. Overall, not great but not terrible either. The Kazakhstan performance will tell us an awful lot more about what the next four years will hold.

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Think Stokes is getting off a little lightly here for a rank-bad first half. Schoolboy panic ball led to the German first, hesitant when put in by Gibson and laughably caught off-side while looking down the defensive line during one of our more positive moves.

He improved a bit in the second - looked more composed - and did well to force Neuer into a couple of decent saves. Deserves more auditions and hopefully he'll be more clinical if he plays on Tuesday.

Well, laughable indeed considering he was 2 yards onside.

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Originally Posted by punkrocket

Anyone know who the band playing out at the end of tonight's programme were?

Ah, punkrocket, you're not living up to your name. It's Enemies by the Radiators from Space; the great Phil Chevron passed away late last week - one of Ireland's greatest punk bands and musicians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRAPICwb36g
15/10/2013, 3:08 PM
BonnieShels

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

But do you know why this is? Jews just adopt common names depending on where they live. It's as simple as looking at registry. Strange its in Israel itself, my guess would be these people moved back to "the motherland"

Well as a Abrahamic scholar... No I do not.

I would guess its an appropriation of a the similar sounding Gehrmann etc. The usual way names are made.

I'm sure there are plenty of Jewish Gormans in New York and the JAO too.

Maybe the Jewish lad in Afghanistan is a Gorman too...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_...ion_by_country
15/10/2013, 5:05 PM
Charlie Darwin

Emmett Malone in the Times has confirmed Ireland's victory over Kazakhstan tonight but has yet to provide a final score: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...stan-1.1560701
15/10/2013, 5:24 PM
SwanVsDalton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Well, laughable indeed considering he was 2 yards.

Almost as late as a Noel King substitution with this one CD. Been informed (repeatedly) and mea culpa'd.
15/10/2013, 5:28 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Almost as late as a Noel King substitution with this one CD. Been informed (repeatedly) and mea culpa'd.

Shut up!

Any predictions for tonight's line-up? I'm caught between

Forde
Coleman Dunne Clark O'Shea
Wilson McCarthy Gibson
Stokes Keane Reid

and

Forde
Coleman Dunne O'Shea Wilson
Whelan McCarthy Gibson
Stokes Keane Reid
15/10/2013, 5:33 PM
Kingdom

Forde

---------Dunne Clark O'Shea------
Coleman----------------------Wilson
----------------McCarthy-------------

-----Stokes----Gibson------Reid----

------------------Keane---------------

with Clark pushing into the defensive midfielder role and covering back as necessary, just so we won't be embarassed to defend.
15/10/2013, 5:35 PM
Kingdom

Looks like Long isn't starting anyway. Just tweeted "Cowboy!! Nuff said" ....naughty boy!
15/10/2013, 5:39 PM
paul_oshea

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

There may be a sound-proof bubble around FAI headquarters. I found it very disconcerting that neither the FAI nor King were aware of the seeding situation for Euro 2016 and the implications that other results tonight, as well as our own, might have on our future seeding status. In fact, the FAI provided King with complete misinformation - he was inexplicably informed that tonight's fixtures would have no bearing on our future seeding - and I understand it was the media who pointed this out as incorrect during an interview/press conference with King the other day. How on earth did the FAI arrive at such a misunderstanding? Incompetence would be to not bother your arse finding out about something that will fairly obviously have a direct bearing on your future fortunes, but to actually impart inaccurate information to our interim manager is unfathomable.

Surely the FAI employ researchers of some sort to uncover and study the various possibilities, consequences and permutations of results? Even a chap to read the papers and sift through the forums every now and again could prove vital in terms of picking up on obscure insights or even potentially eligible players.

I often pointed out the same concerns when trap and others seemed to think draws were ok and what not unaware of how the groups worked im sure, just like the FAI or were told so by the FAI.
15/10/2013, 5:51 PM
DannyInvincible

Starting line-up confirmed:

Forde, Coleman, Dunne, O'Shea, Wilson, Gibson, McCarthy, Reid, Stokes, Doyle, Keane.
15/10/2013, 6:00 PM
Closed Account

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Starting line-up confirmed:

Forde, Coleman, Dunne, O'Shea, Wilson, Gibson, McCarthy, Reid, Stokes, Doyle, Keane.

What do we reckon?

Forde

O'Shea Dunne

Coleman Wilson

Gibson McCarthy

Doyle Keane Reid

Stoke
15/10/2013, 6:01 PM
Yard of Pace

Looks good to me. Long would want to begin putting the ball in the net at some stage.
15/10/2013, 6:04 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by joe_denilson

What do we reckon?

Forde

O'Shea Dunne

Coleman Wilson

Gibson McCarthy

Doyle Keane Reid

Stoke

I reckon Keane up top with Reid in the hole and Stokes out wide.

The doc omitted from the matchday squad entirely, leaving him free to post in the thread in real-time.
15/10/2013, 6:08 PM
DannyInvincible

The attendance is expected to be around 15,000, according the RT�.
15/10/2013, 6:11 PM
Paddy Garcia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Ah, punkrocket, you're not living up to your name. It's Enemies by the Radiators from Space; the great Phil Chevron passed away late last week - one of Ireland's greatest punk bands and musicians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRAPICwb36g

Did RTE finish the show with this - credit to them if so great tribute to a great musician.
15/10/2013, 6:20 PM
Charlie Darwin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Did RTE finish the show with this - credit to them if so great tribute to a great musician.

Yeah, well they played it to a montage of the match.
15/10/2013, 6:41 PM
dr_peepee

Disappointed again in that line up.. Maybe I'm too fond of symmetry in a line up. I dunno.

I would have made room for McGeady.. Long is right to be disappointed (but wrong in his response).

Central Midfield looks a little soft to me also.
15/10/2013, 6:42 PM
tricky_colour

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I reckon Keane up top with Reid in the hole and Stokes out wide.

The doc omitted from the matchday squad entirely, leaving him free to post in the thread in real-time.

Forde
O'Shea Dunne
Coleman Wilson
Gibson McCarthy
Doyle Reid Stoke

Keane

Yea the above is correct I think, we seem to be playing very narrow but that's the (useless) editor
15/10/2013, 6:50 PM
tricky_colour

don't think it's gonna be a walk over
15/10/2013, 6:52 PM
Charlie Darwin

I'd be more comfortable with Clark and Delaney in the centre.
15/10/2013, 6:54 PM
Charlie Darwin

George reckons Mark Gorman's name is pronounced Goor-man. I'll trust his oracle of enunciation.
15/10/2013, 6:55 PM
tricky_colour

do you mean goo-erman?

1-0
15/10/2013, 6:55 PM
Charlie Darwin

Pick that out! Defense in disarray with Wilson then Coleman to blame.
15/10/2013, 6:56 PM
Paddy Garcia

Hope they made Martinez pay for his ticket.
15/10/2013, 6:56 PM
tricky_colour

not had a bet in this match, as a betting man looking at the odds the only team worth backing was kazahkstan
and i could not do that, there were 9-1 to win I think, plenty of value there.
15/10/2013, 6:58 PM
Charlie Darwin

Peno. Man with the gloves thought he was a goalkeeper. Keane to score goal number #61.
15/10/2013, 6:59 PM
Paddy Garcia

More than we deserve!
15/10/2013, 6:59 PM
tricky_colour

always a bit of a give away when a defender brings his goal keeping gloves!! :p
15/10/2013, 7:03 PM
Paddy Garcia

Quote:

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

don't think it's gonna be a walk over

God no - we are not gonna roll over this time - we have already scored one.
15/10/2013, 7:04 PM
tricky_colour

i cant heat the crowd at all on the commentary, well heard a bit then, i think it is RTE, sometimes the crowd noise
and be too loud but this lacks athmosphere
15/10/2013, 7:05 PM
Charlie Darwin

Alan Kelly seems to have developed a Dublin accent in the 8 days or so since he started working with King.
15/10/2013, 7:08 PM
tricky_colour

TAKE THAT!! (not the band)
15/10/2013, 7:09 PM
DannyInvincible

John O'Shea with his second ever goal for us. 2-1.
15/10/2013, 7:09 PM
tricky_colour

It's GURMAN on the no2 shirt not gorman

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		Forde
	O'Shea		Dunne
Coleman				Wilson
	Gibson		McCarthy
Doyle		Keane		Reid

		Stoke