Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Irish_Praha

what about Steve Mcclaren he has international experience?
:D;)

---

Does he do a convincing brogue?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eminence Grise

To be honest, in the rush to get shut of Trap (who has outstayed his welcome) I think we’re overlooking an even more important appointment.

A team psychologist.

---

I'm surprised the FAI don't already have sports psychologists working with the squad behind the scenes. It's something I'd just assumed would be all part and parcel of modern-day match preparation. It it actually uncommon for international sides to involve psychologists?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by mark12345

Well if there's not going to be any change in style then I hope Martin doesn't apply, much as I like him. The Ireland team right now needs a massive attitude change enough to make us play the game properly (ie change from the hoof ball game which has got us absolutely nothing to the proper style. And if we have to make years of mistakes along the way then we have to make them, but change has to come).

---

I do believe change is required and think Trap's game is up. Last night was like a game of ping-pong and terribly frustrating to endure. Even our own goal came as a bit of a surprise; as a result of a defensive error of which Robbie was able to take advantage. I can't think of another decent chance even created by us. In fairness, however, it still must be remembered that Trap's system did get us to the Euros and a World Cup play-off. I think Trap is owed respect for that at least. The booing that rang around the ground after the game last night didn't impress me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by mark12345

Love Mick to death. He has done a lot for Irish football. But too many memories of us playing the long ball doesn't bode well for a future with him as manager.

I've seen Martin O'Neill mentioned here. Great choice. I've also seen Roy Keane's name mentioned here. Could the two work together? Two Brian Clough disciples. What a team we would have. If that didn't work out .....

---

IF that didn't work out!!? Roy Keane working with Martin O'Neill!! What planet do you inhabit?

In case people didn't notice, the Swedes hoofed the ball out from their goalkeeper as much as we did. The difference was they were slightly more constructive when the ball bounced their way and they had Ibrahimovic.

"Free flowing football" - can't wait to see John O'Shea and Richard Dunne playing it out from the back like Franz Beckenbauer. These continentals won't know what's hit them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

In case people didn't notice, the Swedes hoofed the ball out from their goalkeeper as much as we did.

---

I was convinced that neither team actually wanted the ball at one point.

Trappatoni is a clown and should of been fired after the humiliation of losing to Germany last November.

don't care who we bring in but we need a manager who can pick the best possible team available to play for their country and not players who he believes fit a system that is absolutely broken and doesn't work.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nagger

Guus Hiddink

---

FAI couldn't afford him

and Renee Meulensteen[/QUOTE]
Manager of Anzhi

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 1fortheTeam

id say chris hughton is the man .

---

Not a hope of getting a Premier League manager

I wanted Arie Haan to get the job five years ago and would still like to see him getting a shot at it. He is a bit of a nut case but we'd have a lot of fun watching the team.

Looking for someone with pedigree -
Marcelo Bielsa

Or someone with a lot of potential -
Morten Wieghorst

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

IF that didn't work out!!? Roy Keane working with Martin O'Neill!! What planet do you inhabit?

In case people didn't notice, the Swedes hoofed the ball out from their goalkeeper as much as we did. The difference was they were slightly more constructive when the ball bounced their way and they had Ibrahimovic.

"Free flowing football" - can't wait to see John O'Shea and Richard Dunne playing it out from the back like Franz Beckenbauer. These continentals won't know what's hit them.

---

I don't doubt your fandom Owls, but you sell Ireland short with that analysis. Hustle, bluster and chaos is what we offered from the first to the 90th min. Sweden handled our game once they went ahead. It's not as if Zlatan was back in their defence saving the day with a flurry of last ditch tackles.

Where do you think we rank in Europe, seeing as we can't beat Austria at home and get beat by Sweden? I'd say that puts us as a 4th seeded team in the groups.
That means we wouldn't even qualify for the extended euros in 2016 and it would be easier to qualify for them than not qualify.

Let's face it the answer is is staring us in the face.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...39_468x342.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Let's face it the answer is is staring us in the face.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...39_468x342.jpg

---

So, Roy and Trigger McAteer to take over!

Good article about Trap by Dion Fanning which is a summary of much of what has been said on the Ireland -Sweden thread. He mentions some of the usual suspects as a replacement - O'Neill and Keane , but also, Muelensteen, Fergie's old assistant which is one out of the box. Who ever takes over needs to trust the players and work to our strengths and not work to a plan which the players have lost trust in quite a while ago.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29561561.html

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I can't think of another decent chance even created by us.

---

That's a bit harsh. In the first 25 minutes, we had that first-minute shot blocked away for a corner, we had two shots from Whelan which were very nicely worked and which were very badly executed when he was perfectly positioned and we had Long's chance when he got into a good position on the edge of the box and pulled a muscle.

No, in the first 25 minutes, we had a fair few chances and we were generally better almost to the point of dominant. Why we collapsed after going 1-0 up - as so often happens - is the real question.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I do believe change is required and think Trap's game is up. Last night was like a game of ping-pong and terribly frustrating to endure. Even our own goal came as a bit of a surprise; as a result of a defensive error of which Robbie was able to take advantage. I can't think of another decent chance even created by us. In fairness, however, it still must be remembered that Trap's system did get us to the Euros and a World Cup play-off. I think Trap is owed respect for that at least. The booing that rang around the ground after the game last night didn't impress me.

---

Were you one of the few that were trying to get the Fields of Athenry going just before the end of the game! That was worse!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bennocelt

Were you one of the few that were trying to get the Fields of Athenry going just before the end of the game! That was worse!

---

Yep, the surest way to get the players to give their all for the fans is definitely to demonstrate that you hate them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Let's face it the answer is is staring us in the face.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...39_468x342.jpg

---

I think I'd prefer the dogs to that bell-end!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

That's a bit harsh. In the first 25 minutes, we had that first-minute shot blocked away for a corner, we had two shots from Whelan which were very nicely worked and which were very badly executed when he was perfectly positioned and we had Long's chance when he got into a good position on the edge of the box and pulled a muscle.

No, in the first 25 minutes, we had a fair few chances and we were generally better almost to the point of dominant. Why we collapsed after going 1-0 up - as so often happens - is the real question.

---

We're incapable of holding a lead. We don' have the Italian culture or mentality to shut up shop and play catenaccio and we don't have the nous (or possibly the freedom) to build on it. We get caught between 2 stools and seem to panic leading to letting the opposition back in the game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by peadar1987

Yep, the surest way to get the players to give their all for the fans is definitely to demonstrate that you hate them.

---

Or applaud them off the field, "well done boys". Maybe thats why we never will win anything in football, we except such mediocrity!:rolleyes:

See if you can spot the foot.ie posters on here...And WSC think this MB is of a 'lower class' and they are superior FFS.
http://www.wsc.co.uk/forum-index/27-...44-delaney-out

:rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bennocelt

Were you one of the few that were trying to get the Fields of Athenry going just before the end of the game! That was worse!

---

I wasn't so submissive so as to launch into a resigned rendition of that with minutes still to go either, but booing my own team after a game just isn't something that sits comfortably with me, unless the team have actually shown a complete contempt for the jersey, which wasn't the case on Friday night. I reciprocated Richard Dunne's applauding of the support when he made his way towards the supporters after the game and had some chap making his exit reproaching me and pulling at my arms. It's not as if the players weren't hurting also - I don't think their effort can be questioned - and the last thing I was doing was applauding Trap's tactical approach.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Let's face it the answer is is staring us in the face.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...39_468x342.jpg

---

I recognise Keane and Paul McShane, but I haven't a clue who that is on the right.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gastric

Good article about Trap by Dion Fanning which is a summary of much of what has been said on the Ireland -Sweden thread. He mentions some of the usual suspects as a replacement - O'Neill and Keane , but also, Muelensteen, Fergie's old assistant which is one out of the box. Who ever takes over needs to trust the players and work to our strengths and not work to a plan which the players have lost trust in quite a while ago.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29561561.html

---

I do think the appointment of O'Neill would recapture the wider public's imagination and good will. There's been a real lack of national buzz surrounding the team throughout Trap's reign, although the state in which his predecessor had left us probably didn't help matters from the outset either. O'Neill is a universally-popular figure throughout Ireland and also happens to be a very competent manager. He'd be my preference if we're going to go with an Irishman.

Does René Meulensteen have much of a managerial track record?

Would the FAI really go near Roy Keane? On the other hand, I can't envisage Keane entertaining the FAI either. Fanning claims Keane "would be interested in the job"; has Keane indicated it would interest him or is Fanning merely speculating?

I'm surprised there are no jokes about Roy leaving before the Sweden game due to bacon sandwiches.

??
Why?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crosby87

I'm surprised there are no jokes about Roy leaving before the Sweden game due to bacon sandwiches.

---

Leaving where before the Sweden game?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bennocelt

Or applaud them off the field, "well done boys". Maybe thats why we never will win anything in football, we except such mediocrity!:rolleyes:

---

We'll never win anything in football because of the whole set-up of our youth structure, which is the epitome of the win-at-all-costs-or-you'll-be-booed-off-the-field culture prevalent in the British and Irish game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by peadar1987

We'll never win anything in football because of the whole set-up of our youth structure...

---

I'm gonna stick my neck out and put it down to Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Italy etc...;)

any chance dave o leary would do a god job?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by liamoo11

any chance dave o leary would do a god job?

---

Methinks not. O' Neill was a bit of a busted flush in last days at Sunderland.... John Giles always said Roy Keane was made for international football management because players get him in short, sharp doses and then he's out of their immediate live again.

Er, a complete bottle merchant?

No thanks...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by liamoo11

any chance dave o leary would do a god job?

---

Well, some might say he already thinks's he's God...

I couldn't see him serving up the turgid excuse for football that Trap has been slopping up for the last few years. Given the mediocre CVs the FAI can expect to receive when Trap goes, he'd be no worse than most.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by The Fly

I'm gonna stick my neck out and put it down to Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Italy etc...;)

---

On that one, watched Brazil play with Australia at the weekend and win 6-0. The Aussies are a bit like us, energetic and a bit ordinary on the technical front, but the Brazilians out ran them and outplayed them. Their technical ability and creativity were a joy to watch. They will win the World Cup on this present form and recently beat Spain 3-0.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

IF that didn't work out!!? Roy Keane working with Martin O'Neill!! What planet do you inhabit?

In case people didn't notice, the Swedes hoofed the ball out from their goalkeeper as much as we did. The difference was they were slightly more constructive when the ball bounced their way and they had Ibrahimovic.

"Free flowing football" - can't wait to see John O'Shea and Richard Dunne playing it out from the back like Franz Beckenbauer. These continentals won't know what's hit them.

---

And all of that means...........what?

An article in the Mail which adds very little of substance. Basically O'Neill is favourite and there are some others in the mix. Quinn says we're going to be in the doldrums for a bit and that we need to prepare our players better before we ship them off to England.

Why the presumption that our players have to be shipped off to England?

Quinn's attitude is pretty telling. It's all focused on preparing players for England. There's no school of thought that we should be developing players who could succeed anywhere, no suggestion we should be developing players like Kevin Doyle who can grow up with their family around them, with the support to develop their skills and have the attributes to succeed in any European league. It's all about giving them technical skills so they can move to England as a teenager and hopefully grow up as men within that system. It's the type of short-sighted approach that has stunted Irish football for decades. We don't produce men, we produce products for English clubs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boovidge

Quinn says we're going to be in the doldrums for a bit and that we need to prepare our players better before we ship them off to England.

---

FFS! When are we not in the doldrums? We're there permanently anyways! I love the psychic powers of all these ex-players - they really should be mediums solving future crimes!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Quinn's attitude is pretty telling. It's all focused on preparing players for England.

---

I know they have personal interest or involvement in particular English clubs, but it was still a bit surreal watching Quinn and Darragh MacAnthony - two Irishmen - referring to "we" and "us" in relation to the general transfer dealings English football clubs on SSN's transfer deadline day broadcast last week.

Tbf they both work and operate within the English game.

Irish domestic football is barely solvent, if at all. Short of 25 sugar-daddies, they're not going to have the money to pay our top players...
Unless of course they all turn out to be of a very low standard compared to now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

I know they have personal interest or involvement in particular English clubs, but it was still a bit surreal watching Quinn and Darragh MacAnthony - two Irishmen - referring to "we" and "us" in relation to the general transfer dealings English football clubs on SSN's transfer deadline day broadcast last week.

---

MacAnthony was good telly I have to say, in terms of Quinn and Sky Sports, I'm still haunted by visiting a friend's house at half time during UEFA Super Cup to see Niall on my mate's widescreen tv with his wide legs apart making it impossible to avoid viewing his eh..."zipper area".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Tbf they both work and operate within the English game.

Irish domestic football is barely solvent, if at all. Short of 25 sugar-daddies, they're not going to have the money to pay our top players...
Unless of course they all turn out to be of a very low standard compared to now.

---

It's not barely solvent. Most clubs make money. They're in better financial health than the average English or Scottish club and without TV money. They do so without the help of a national association that promotes football in the country or a domestic population that likes live football. They do so because they've experienced the worst of financial excess and adjusted to face the reality, but they are properly run now.

Hmm, it's not what I read on here and elsewhere. The no.of club failures is testament to that.

Most people who go to watch live sport in Ireland who don't go to live soccer is because they perceive the product to be generally of low quality and/or poor value for money.
Presuming a team is accessible to them and they have an inclination to go regularly.

Quinn and others have rightly pointed out that, with the English league attracting players from around the world there's less of a chance for Irish players at top Premier League clubs. What's strange is the continuing presumption that it has to be England where our players are nutured, rather than in our own domestic league or further afield in continental Europe, for example.