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"Foregone conclusion" how was it that when St. Nicholas did everything in their power to get winner in last 10 minutes? There is a big difference between "preferred result" and "deliberately losing games" as quoted in an earlier post. Moyglass did not want to go up this is a "fact".
Sportsfan I think myself are going to completely disagree on this topic I can only go on what I have seen and heard from other clubs and posters and your obviously a st nicks supporter and you are quite entitled to defend them which I respect but I suppose the only people who can give the moyglass perspective is them themselves so if there is any moyglass lads on the forum it I think we would all like to heAr from you
Havent heard any on here rightboy but after Moyglass defeating St. Michaels B it was said to a member of Moyglass that they'd want to be careful or they will get the dreaded second spot. The response was we have two games left to make sure we dont. Rumours then surfaced that Ballingarry would not be able to field in last game so in second last game they were defeated at home by Old Bridge!! Also met a Moyglass player after the season and he said they were happy to remain in First Division. Fact of the matter whether it correct or not is that very little if any First Division teams want to go to Premier as runners up after seeing what happened Rosegreen St. Nicholas and Galbally in recent years. If promoted as winners at least there has been a major trophy won and this can keep the team together. Even though Galbally won both Shield and League last year they lost loads of players who had no interest in Premier and will struggle to get these players back this year. Rosegreen nearly went out of football. Yes i do agree this is not an ideal situation but after what happened these clubs this is what happens. Some will say sign players and train harder to get up to the standard to compete at the high level of Premier but this would also bring problems to these rural clubs.
lads id like everyone's opinion on this so please respond if you will. if you are a player getting togged off for a game and the manager walks in and says lads just give me 50% here today we dont want to win because we dont want to get promoted and play against the best teams in the county????? maybe this is why these clubs lose their players. any club that doesnt want to get promoted should be ashamed of themselves.
if that was said no one should sign for that team again and the manager should never be left incharge of another team as long as he lives.either give 100% or dont bother geting involved in soccer.Quote:
Originally Posted by republican
just wondering were u present at for the team talk v St. Michaels B republican or are you speculating?
no sportsfan i am just giving an opinion on the posts that are above in relation to teams not trying in games is all. im just saying if a manager told me not to try in order to not win the game i wouldnt stick around for long. im sure alot of people would agree.
Why the hell do they even bother playing,beggars belief,if that's true hopefully they will meet one of the big boys in mj or fai and get battered,it's all they deserve,have they any ambition,
why is everyone slating st nicks on this?maybe the manager wanted to build a young team that might win a few games and toughen them up and prepare them for the premier,instead of getting hammered every week and they lose interest.could be a clever call.ambition is questioned look at their facilities?give em a break and start worrying about your own clubs and how you can match their facilities,when some clubs still shower at a river or shake a wet branch.Quote:
Originally Posted by theboywonder8
I'd have more respect Rushy for a club showering at a river or shaking a wet branch as you so smugly put it...if their players had the stomach for facing the big boys and gave 100% every week,honesty and endeavour are worth more than facilities in my book
Very well said tipp topQuote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Top
Speculating again republican. This was not said in managers speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by republican
Rushy12 I completely agree with you st nicks are one if the best progressive rural clubs grt pitch facilities and a lot of very good football people out there( I can remember playing on their old pitch beside the mines/ pits horrible place shows you how old I am ) and it's because of this progression/ ambition off the pitch that the lack of ambition on the field disappoints me
On another note the tsdl decision to allow one up / down for the premier will I believe long-term have a negative effect as teams will not have anything to play for wheter it be relagation / promotion why push on if your out of the top 2 in first division or if your safe in premier you might put out weaker teams which will effect title battle , this is worse case scenario I know but what u think lads am I overreacting
This rule will be voted on at next years AGM. It need 2 thirds majority to remain 1 up 1 down annually. Not sure it will have negative affect rightboy if the preference of most First Division teams is to remain in Division 1 unless winning the division. Also the clubs in Premier this year would wish to remain in same league as Cahir indicated to the TSDL committee. Therefore looks like 1 up 1 down suits the clubs involved.
I see St.Michaels, Wilderness, Nenagh AFC and Cashel Town through to semi-finals of Delaney Cup. Anybody know the semi-final draw?
Saints away to Cashel next Friday at 7 wilddes away to nenagh . Saints won 4 0 comfortable enough but I see Celtic beaten well by nenagh anyone at that game guys ?
i presume there is no 2nd leg to this john delaney? wildies and cashel had great wins, surprised celtic were beaten with all the talk about them, did they have a full team out? id say waters is thinkin about a transfer across the bypass road if this keeps up
Haha!! To where, the WildernessQuote:
Originally Posted by SgtBilko
Celtic were missing 11 playersQuote:
Originally Posted by SgtBilko
to clonmel town of course! where he played before which catapulted him into the shop window for waterford to come along, did kevin, darren burns and steven ryan play?
He certainly won't go to Town. Smurf played, the other 2 didnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtBilko
he certainly should. what was your 11 starting team
gk Cianan O'SullivanQuote:
Originally Posted by SgtBilko
rb Darren Burns
lb Wayne Murray
cb Ian McCollum
cb Danny Madigan
rm Eddie Doyle
lm Mark Power
cm Andrew Cosgrave
cm Graham Doyle
cf Paul Shanahan
cf Paddy O'Donnell
Smugly???stating the facts..facilities attract players, ask saints fans that, sorry your a saints fan are you not..that club have worked extremely hard to be where they are and what they have, for the likes of you and others coming on here insinuating that they threw games when yee know nothing about it.honesty and endeavor gets you so far in football but some harsh decisions need to be taken if a club needs to build..and if they want to stay in div 1 and think that will help them fair enough..they can play big boys in the cups..and what big boys are you on about the top 3 saints town celtic..after that is mediocre..galbally were relegated and will go close to winning that div 1 again next year..to what go back up and get hammered or give teams bys because they cant feild teams...my rant is over..i dont even care about saint nicks..but dont judge a book by its cover my friendQuote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Top
Yeah i agree that having facilities attracts players,facilities help players to develop and without them it is very hard to help players to progress.well in my opinion i would much rather go to a team with facilities rather than join a team with no facilities what so ever.
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Originally Posted by SgtBilko
You obviously don't know Kevin Waters. To suggest he should be considering a move to Town because a second string Celtic lost to a good Nenagh side is an insult to his intelligence. Maybe it is something you would contemplate but Kevin will show a little bit more maturity than your post suggests.
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Originally Posted by ponyobrien
And their manager ;)
Tuesday 16/08/2011
TSDL PREMIER LEAGUE at 7 pm
Two Mile Borris v Cahir Park – J. Maguire
Clonmel Town v Clonmel Celtic – J. Lyons, W. Burke, Jon Walsh
St. Michael's AFC v Peake Villa – M. Freiberg, P. Keane, J. Hadnett
Cashel Town v Wilderness Rovers – J. Teehan
League starting early.. Did michaels sign any new players.. Rumour was 1 or 2 from pike heading there.. But probably just rumours ..
Is there not linesman for all games or just selected ones, there's linesmen for all premier games in Waterford which comes as an extra cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by ponyobrien
No, only linesman at selected games, usually the standout fixtures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby D
Il go for all home wins with a draw in the clonmel derby.
You're right second,just rumours,why would they leave pike to join St michaels??,Quote:
Originally Posted by Second
It was a question which is usually replied to with an answer not another question.. But thank you for your input
I did answer it,and asked you another one,so can you answer it,
No it's ok
Complete nonsense Roberto, i find it hilarious your post and im sure the likes of Darren Burns, Danny Madigan, Eddie Doyle, Mark Power, Andrew Cosgrave, Graham Doyle, Paul Shanahan, and Paddy O'Donnell would be delighted to hear you refer to them as "second string Celtic", im sure your colleague ponyobrien will agree with me, also my post regarding waters is an opinion and does not show immaturity, if he wants to try win anythin decent at Junior level he should be with one of the top two, no gettin away from that, celtic will always play second fiddle to Town/Michaels, end of story
borris 3-1 cahir
town 1-2 celtic
saints 3-0 villa
cashel 2-2 wildies
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Originally Posted by SgtBilko
Kevin is friends with the majority of the Clonmel Celtic team and he socialises with them. There is absolutely no draw for him to Clonmel Town he doesnt need to chase medals that much that he would wish to play against most of his friends. He doesnt have much to prove at junior he's played LOI for more than a decade, he doesnt need to chase medals nor does he want to with any other junior club than Clonmel Celtic.
As regards the second string alot of them will be weather they like it or not, Craig Condon, Simon Scully, Kevin Waters, Evan Maguire, Paul Kennedy, Ciaran Kenrick were not involved andthey will be most definitely.
borris 6-2 cahir
town 2-2 celtic
saints 0-1 villa
cashel 1-3 wildies