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22/05/2011, 9:19 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Was replying to #354;leave you to work that one out.....
Unless of course your question(s) were rhetorical??

What are you on about?
22/05/2011, 9:23 PM
ArdeeBhoy

Am replying to your posts above!
22/05/2011, 9:42 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by RiffRaff

I remember watching the 82 and 86 world cups with envy, partly because I thought we had at least as good a squad at the time but mainly because NI had achieved what we seemed unable to at the time. I had no idea at the time what backgrounds any of the players were from (or interest) and still dont. It seemed to bring people up there together briefly.

I also watched with envy.

Did something change between then and, say, when Anton Rogan started getting stick from NI fans? The easy guess would be that it was all because of his background, or because he represented the nationalist / republican symbolic club in Scotland, but I also have a sneaking suspicion that if he had been really good at playing full back he'd have been far more popular. Being a relatively dodgy full back in an era when NI were starting to live in the real world again didn't do him any favours. What about the Celtic keeper at the time, McKnight? Was he more popular?
23/05/2011, 12:59 AM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by awec

You would have thought, given your much larger selection pool that your youth system would be producing plenty of quality players.

Whilst I think the FAI could do a lot better than allow the continuation of the exportation of our best young talents abroad at an early age and then rely on English clubs to take up the later teenage development of our players from what are essentially Irish youth feeder clubs, it has been a very satisfactory development in recent years to see increasing numbers of players you really can call "home-grown" excel at a higher level in England after moving on from the League of Ireland; the likes of Kevin Doyle, Shane Long, S�amus Coleman, Conor Sammon, David Meyler and Keith Fahey at a stretch who bucked the trend of "failures" having to return home for good to a career of semi-professional mediocrity after things didn't work out at a higher level the first time round.

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Originally Posted by Sullivinho

He was sitting at the same table and all. :D

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." ;)

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

No problem - those who want to play under the Tricolour amd stand to Amhr�n na bhFiann can do so. They are not symbols that are venerated by the British Irish community.

There is, I agree, a case for the IFA ditching the Ulster Banner, and using the "Official" Flag of Northern Ireland instead.

The Union flag? Not really what I would have had in mind if the IFA were to amend their symbolism in order to try and improve cross-community relations, but then, whatever floats their boat.
23/05/2011, 1:24 AM
awec

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Whilst I think the FAI could do a lot better than allow the continuation of the exportation of our best young talents abroad at an early age and then rely on English clubs to take up the later teenage development of our players from what are essentially Irish youth feeder clubs, it has been a very satisfactory development in recent years to see increasing numbers of players you really can call "home-grown" excel at a higher level in England after moving on from the League of Ireland; the likes of Kevin Doyle, Shane Long, S�amus Coleman, Conor Sammon, David Meyler and Keith Fahey at a stretch who bucked the trend of "failures" having to return home for good to a career of semi-professional mediocrity after things didn't work out at a higher level the first time round.

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." ;)

The Union flag? Not really what I would have had in mind if the IFA were to amend their symbolism in order to try and improve cross-community relations, but then, whatever floats their boat.

Perhaps we should change our flag to a tricolour and change our name to the North of Ireland and our national anthem to Amhr�n na bhFiann but you know what, that still wouldn't please some people.

I think you get my point here. :)
23/05/2011, 1:57 AM
DannyInvincible

Indeed. But here's the thing; this problem aptly demonstrates the inherently British-unionist political and cultural nature of the statelet itself but yet the IFA seek nationalists to engage and involve themselves with it. They then play dumb when nationalists declare intentions of playing with what the IFA deem "another country".
23/05/2011, 2:09 AM
DannyInvincible

A piece on the eligibility issue by John O'Brien: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...m-2654162.html

Probably one of the better-researched pieces I've come across. One thing though:

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When the trickle threatened to develop into a steady stream, however, patience began to wear a little thinner.

If a graph was drawn up to show the declarations of northern-born Irish nationals for the FAI by year since the mid-1990s, I'm not so sure the quantity declaring would be any more significant post-Gibson than before.
23/05/2011, 8:00 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

A piece on the eligibility issue by John O'Brien: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...m-2654162.html

Probably one of the better-researched pieces I've come across. One thing though:

If a graph was drawn up to show the declarations of northern-born Irish nationals for the FAI by year since the mid-1990s, I'm not so sure the quantity declaring would be any more significant post-Gibson than before.

That is a decent article DI.

I agree with you - I don't think the quantity has significantly increased post Gibson, but the quality has.

Interesting to note in the article about IFA mutterings about allowing a two way scenario to happen - my view on that is quite clear. The day and hour that the IFA pursue that path, is the day and hour their end begins.
23/05/2011, 8:11 AM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

A piece on the eligibility issue by John O'Brien: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...m-2654162.html

Probably one of the better-researched pieces I've come across.

JO'B says it's the first game between us since '93. Was their not a friendly since then that NI won 1-0?
23/05/2011, 8:20 AM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

JO'B says it's the first game between us since '93. Was their not a friendly since then that NI won 1-0?

Charity game - hence the result. ;)
23/05/2011, 8:42 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Am replying to your posts above!

I am unaware of any abuse directed at Daniel Devine.

Daniel Devine is not from a "unionist background".

David Healy is not a "Catholic".

David Healy's dad is not a "Catholic".

David Healy did not receive sectatian abuse on account of being a "Catholic".

Does that clear that up for you?
23/05/2011, 9:18 AM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

JO'B says it's the first game between us since '93. Was their not a friendly since then that NI won 1-0?

...and two Euro 96 qualifiers but as there were only a handful of ManU players involved I wouldn't expect JO'B to be too tuned in to it.
23/05/2011, 9:25 AM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

JO'B says it's the first game between us since '93. Was their not a friendly since then that NI won 1-0?

List of all games VS the North, from soccerscene.ie: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/opponent.php?opp=37
23/05/2011, 1:54 PM
CraftyToePoke

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Interesting to note in the article about IFA mutterings about allowing a two way scenario to happen - my view on that is quite clear. The day and hour that the IFA pursue that path, is the day and hour their end begins.

Would accepting back some players who had previously wanted to play for the FAI count ? O'Kane and one other I think you mentioned to me the other day, who changed back after not progressing.
23/05/2011, 2:13 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Would accepting back some players who had previously wanted to play for the FAI count ? O'Kane and one other I think you mentioned to me the other day, who changed back after not progressing.

Kane & O'Connor?

Different scenario to what I was alluding to.

I was thinking about ROI born players, with no link to Northern Ireland.
23/05/2011, 2:17 PM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I was thinking about ROI born players, with no link to Northern Ireland.

In other words Irish born players playing for the Irish Football Association. :)
23/05/2011, 2:31 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by ifk101

In other words Irish born players playing for the Irish Football Association. :)

Irish born players with British Citizenship are always welcome to play for the (British) Irish Football Association.
23/05/2011, 2:38 PM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Irish born players with British Citizenship are always welcome to play for the (British) Irish Football Association.

The (B)IFA.
23/05/2011, 2:44 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by ifk101

The (B)IFA.

Not be be confused with FAI(R) - or has mad Willie copyright on that?
23/05/2011, 2:45 PM
Gather round

......
23/05/2011, 2:47 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

We'll see if it's gone on Tuesday night.

It's not and it will be heard on Tuesday imo, but hopefully to a lessor degree.
23/05/2011, 2:47 PM
Gather round

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Charity game - hence the result. ;)

Forgettable game, hence the amnesia.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Not be be confused with FAI(R)

How about FAIR FUX (featuring unionists exceptionally)?
23/05/2011, 2:49 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by awec

Perhaps we should change our flag to a tricolour and change our name to the North of Ireland and our national anthem to Amhr�n na bhFiann but you know what, that still wouldn't please some people.

I think you get my point here. :)

Of course it won't please everyone. You never will, but at least it might demonstrate the good intent.
23/05/2011, 2:49 PM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Not be be confused with FAI(R)

???

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

- or has mad Willie copyright on that?

???
23/05/2011, 3:00 PM
CraftyToePoke

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Irish born players with British Citizenship are always welcome to play for the (British) Irish Football Association.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Not be be confused with FAI(R) - or has mad Willie copyright on that?

Inclusive stuff.
23/05/2011, 3:03 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Inclusive stuff.

Absolutely.
23/05/2011, 3:04 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

It's not and it will be heard on Tuesday imo, but hopefully to a lessor degree.

Hopefully.

Of course, if it is heard, it'll be nothing to do with sectarianism.:rolleyes:
23/05/2011, 5:15 PM
ArdeeBhoy

That cap fits both ways.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I am unaware of any abuse directed at Daniel Devine.

Daniel Devine is not from a "unionist background".

David Healy is not a "Catholic".

David Healy's dad is not a "Catholic".

David Healy did not receive sectatian abuse on account of being a "Catholic".

Does that clear that up for you?

Not really, but past caring at this stage.

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Originally Posted by Gather round

Forgettable game, hence the amnesia.

Hmm, I don't recall....

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Originally Posted by awec

Perhaps we should change our flag to a tricolour and change our name to the North of Ireland and our national anthem to Amhr�n na bhFiann but you know what, that still wouldn't please some people.

Ah, dunno. Works for me.
;)
23/05/2011, 8:25 PM
CraftyToePoke

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Irish born players with British Citizenship are always welcome to play for the (British) Irish Football Association.

Ok, I see.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

No, I'm not suggesting "most" of Northern Ireland's players have Irish Passports.

I am, however, telling you that several players, at all age groups (inc Senior), hold only Irish Passports.

Hmmmm .... And are they as welcome?
23/05/2011, 9:07 PM
ArdeeBhoy

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Irish born players with British Citizenship are always welcome to play for the (British) Irish Football Association.

Except up thread you were saying certain members of the North's squad just had Irish passports, so where do they stand?

Apart from not at attention, when a certain dirge is played....
23/05/2011, 9:30 PM
The Fly

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23/05/2011, 11:49 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

JO'B says it's the first game between us since '93. Was their not a friendly since then that NI won 1-0?

Missed that. Maybe not as well-researched as I first suggested then. :o
23/05/2011, 11:49 PM
awec

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Except up thread you were saying certain members of the North's squad just had Irish passports, so where do they stand?

Apart from not at attention, when a certain dirge is played....

I imagine that those players were born in Northern Ireland are are thus British Citizens from birth, and therefore eligible to represent Northern Ireland :)
23/05/2011, 11:54 PM
DannyInvincible

I've actually lost track of what on earth is going on in this thread the past two pages or so. :confused:
24/05/2011, 12:06 AM
gastric

Agreed Danny! Is there a game happening at some stage soon or something?
24/05/2011, 12:11 AM
SwanVsDalton

Let's not be bringing football into this now...
24/05/2011, 12:49 AM
gastric

I profoundly apologise for my stupidity!
24/05/2011, 8:01 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Hmmmm .... And are they as welcome?

100%.
24/05/2011, 8:02 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Missed that. Maybe not as well-researched as I first suggested then. :o

JO'B also missed two Euro 96 qualifiers in his piece - notwithstanding that, it dealt well with the subject in hand.
24/05/2011, 10:16 AM
DannyInvincible

A few players from both sides of tonight's game having a say on the topical eligibility issue...

Robbie Keane:

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Speaking ahead of tonight�s Carling Nations Cup game against Nigel Worthington�s IFA team, Ireland captain Robbie Keane has waded into the eligibility issue stating that it was �totally up to the players� themselves if young Irish internationals from the North decide to play for Ireland rather than the IFA team.

Keane said �If someone wants to play for the Republic and they have the opportunity to do that, its totally up to the players, we had the Darron Gibson situation but at the end of the day he wanted to play for Ireland, so there�s not a lot they can do about it�

Gareth McAuley:

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Gareth McAuley insists Northern Ireland are only interested in players who are fully committed to the cause.

Their Carling Nations Cup game against the Republic of Ireland in Dublin tonight has reignited the debate over eligibility.

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McAuley - who will wear the skipper's armband at the Aviva Stadium - said: 'If people don't want to play for us then we don't want them in our squad.

'It's as simple as that. We've got a tight group and we have had over the years.

'The young lads coming through are coming through together and if they don't want to be a part of it we won't twist anyone's arm.

'If you're not fully committed, then no thanks.'

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