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Originally Posted by De Town
Dont agree with that. You get a far better picture of how the team plays and individuals perform when you are at games. TV plays minimal heed to runs of the ball etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
PS: Im no longer a match going red.
I think that is more of an undecidable conjecture, if you want to get Maths-y. Fletcher has improved vastly over the last year or so, I will give you that but he is no Roy Keane for United.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Town
no point talking about fletcher on liverpool thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
and mascherano is not even close to graham souness all he does is work closing down / breaking up play very /very limited on his creative side but that seems to impress benitiz and loads of liverpool fans which is surprising coming from a club of great traditions based on playing great football and had a great history of creative / physical players when they needed to be :(
Don't remember Roy Keane being creative.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
Who mentioned Souness? Souness was a better player than any of the current side. I am too young to really remember Souness play and thus only have videos and comments from family to judge him by but I believe that he was better than any player in the current LFC squad and possibly better than any midfield player in the PL at present. Rafa B probably watched him, he may be able to tell you more about him. (;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
Mascherano is not in the squad to link up play etc, why are people missing that point?
He was , certainly in the earlier years of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
In his early years he was a midfielder who broke from midfield and scored goals but he was not a creative midfielder player in the mould of a Brady, Alonso to name two.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
if given the choice between:
Giggs
Scholes
Carrick
Nani
Valencia
Fletcher
Anderson
Park
Gibson
Hargreaves
and
Gerrard
Kuyt
Yossi
Mascherano
Lucas
Babel
Riera
Spearing
I'd take Man Utd's midfield every day of the week.
He used get on the ball and get things going, always making himself available for a return pass. He used try to control the pace of a game and vary the flow of the attacks. It's not creative in the Zidane way but it is constructive and creative in a different sense, certainly more productive that Mascherano, but he's good at what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
Reder- I agree that match goers would know more about the off the ball stuff, runs, etc. but you would still have a fair idea what your talking about from wathing on TV every week, that's all I was saying really.
[QUOTE=DeLorean;1238372]He used get on the ball and get things going, always making himself available for a return pass. He used try to control the pace of a game and vary the flow of the attacks. It's not creative in the Zidane way but it is constructive and creative in a different sense, certainly more productive that Mascherano, but he's good at what he does.
Sorry thought by creative this meant a player like Brady, Alonso, Molby not a player who plays the ball to the next available player if that's the case Steve McMahon was creative. Always remember Keane as a player who won the ball and passed it to the more creative players. Anyway going off topic a bit.
There's a big difference between what I said to describe him and what you said. You make him sound very basic, I don't think he was.
Shakermaker- I agree, I'd pick that list of United players everytime as well. I would probably have considered a first choice Liverpool midfield, with Alonso, better than United's current first choice though. He's an absolutely massive loss in the context of the quality of their squad. A lot depends on the development of Anderson and the fitness of Hargreaves.
[QUOTE=DeLorean;1238395]There's a big difference between what I said to describe him and what you said. You make him sound very basic, I don't think he was.
Never said he was basic just he was not a creative player in terms of his passing eg opening up defences. Anyway exhausted it at this stage.
Ok so lads, head over hearts....where will Pool finish? I'd say 3rd.
Who knows time will tell i suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Quite the prediction there Rafa:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
Read my post i don't know hence i don't make predictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Torres injured - 4th or 5th, Torres not injured for any length of time 1st.
not a chance .......Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
That's what i love about this site prediction asked prediction given and then it's shot down. Why bother asking:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Would you say the same for Gerrard? I know he's not as injury prone but is he as important?Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
For which prediction, the 4th/5th or 1st? (or both?)Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Torres being injured of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
For 1st - sorry but no way - maybe if they held onto alonso but not now - midfield too weak ....... can see the pool get 3rd but no higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
No where near as important as Torres for me this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
rafa b supposed to be a liverpool thread why do people keep bringing man utd players into discussions.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
trying to keep man utd players out of thread so i thought i would throw in a liverpool player as thread is about liverpool.. mascherano is a profesional football player and you are saying his game is totally about breaking down opponents play...:confused: basic skills involve passing ball forward the odd time to team mates , setting up the odd attack .. as already said liverpools tradation /history was never based on having a midfielder purely just to stop other teams playing.. :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
Liverpool's tradition changed when Houllier took over and Benitez carried on where he left off. Much the same as Wenger for Arsenal, although that was for the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
Its an honest opinion. Fletcher is a better player, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
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Originally Posted by DeLorean
Dont worry lads, I wont go too hard on you guys but you know im right about Torres. Liverpool might have managed to sneak a win today if Torres wasnt playing particularily when Hull levelled. It was a stroll in the park with him playing. Granted Hull will be relegated and were terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Nobody disputes Torres is world class Reder it's just that the majority of us don't see enough quality in the rest of the side to mount another title challenge.
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Originally Posted by DeLorean
I don't think I underrated TorresQuote:
Originally Posted by reder
i think Aquilani will be a massive boost to the side when he comes in,defensively were lacking confidence,i dont mind when fans/media underestimate liverpool, kuyt/yossi chip in with a nice amount of goals and assists, there are no real superstars in the team but thats the thing there a unit.
Good post. Sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noli
Keep your nickers on and grow up. I was using Keane as an example nothing more and as you can see by the replies of the Man U fans on a "Liverpool thread";) that they to could see i was only using Keane as an example NOTHING MORE.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
Was at the game on Saturday and Mascherano played the last ten minutes or so and have to say his effort, tackling etc was an exaple to all. 4-1 up and the man was playing as if we were hanging on to a 1-0 lead. This is just my opinion as i am a supporter not an expert. I'll leave that to the tv experts!Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
How are Liverpool scoring all these goals if they only set out to stop other teams playing? Serious question by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Torres and Gerrard are two real superstars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noli
I think Liverpool have become far more attack minded in the last year. Not sure did Benitez finally cop on to the fact that you need to win most of your games to win the league maybe, and being unbeaten in most isn't enough. For a good few years, starting with Houllier and continued by Benitez, they were mainly interested in not conceding. This has changed in all honesty. I still wouldn't consider them very easy on the eye, but they are involved in some high scoring games these days. Another reason, Torres!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
Where have you been for the past 3 years? As for Rick Parry, he made a tidy sum when those two shysters took over.
The same stuff will happen with the next owners and the next ones after that. Before you say it, things under DIC could have been just as bad and possibly worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by tipptops
[QUOTE=DeLorean;1240086]Torres and Gerrard are two real superstars.QUOTE]
Maybe i should have phrased it differently they are clearly the two best players the pool have they are not ones that go down the route of using the media to boost there career or crave the attention of the red tops