Didnt see them talking before the match but they said after it was boys v men!! very funny towards the end when dunphy told souness he didnt know what he was talking about and then souness replied with, Who did you manage!!!!
Great Stuff!!
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Didnt see them talking before the match but they said after it was boys v men!! very funny towards the end when dunphy told souness he didnt know what he was talking about and then souness replied with, Who did you manage!!!!
Great Stuff!!
He gets the ball. Okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
But he plays it into an area that Fabregas can still reach and score from.
Then he wraps himself all around Fabregas' legs and brings him down.
Penalty.
With a name like that I don't think I'm gonna get much joy here. You're wrong though;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
Utd won and deserved to win but still doesn't change the fact it was the correct decesion. The reaction of Fletcher tells it all for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
You miss the point.
He fouled him after he played the ball. The ref can give a foul at any point during that piece of play.
Its like a defender pulling an attackers shirt as he runs into the box. The ref can ignore it until he's into the box, and if the defender is stilll pulling the shirt - then he can give a penalty as he's fouling him all the time, not just when he first pulls at the shirt.
In that Fletcher thing - his foot comeas round and plays the ball. No foul. Then his legs wrap round Fabregas and bring him down - there is the foul as the ball is still there to be played by the attacker. Last man - red card. Its like saying clumsiness is not a foul, but just simple clumsiness as its not deliberate.
Justice for Fletcher!
There is no link between the two things. I know you are just trying to show how neutral and objective you are by stating United deserved their win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
I don't, I just don't agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
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Originally Posted by DeLorean
Well then get glasses;)
Like these is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
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Well depends on what you like yourself;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I love the RTE coverage, it's like you know it's wrong but can't look away. It's hardly ever boring. There isn't a live match where I don't have a good laugh at something Dunphy said or did. Bill once revealed that he asked Souness what he thought of the job shortly after he joined and he said he loved it because you can be honest unlike other channels where the "analysts" are merely sitting interviews and putting themselves in the shop window for managers job, so they don't like upsetting anyone.
I agree with Owlsfan in his interpretation of how the rules are implemeted in this case, however my understanding of the "professional foul" is a deliberate and cynical attempt to unfairly stop an opponent from scoring when he is clearly going to. I didn't think this was the case with Fletcher's tackle. That said, the ref had to send him off because his hands are tied and because he would have to answer to his superiors for not following the rules to the letter. It just takes away from the human side of the game because a yellow would have sufficed if the ref was allowed to use common sense and understanding of the situation.
I also think there should be a process of appeal. A little dictatorial without one really.
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Originally Posted by Denis The Red
Very true about the yellow cards and the human side of the game. Suppose these things even themselves out over the season.
Not for The Fletch!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
Or Gomes;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Your a bitter man, FACT :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
I am joking hence the :D FACT! Some people on this site:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pious37
Hardly an unbiased hearsay quote is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
I don't give a damn what the panel says except when it comes to the Irish games. For 16 years (1988-2004) all 3 (Laughing Bill, Drunkphy and Father Time) launched in to personal and vitriolic attacks on the incumbent Irish manager with no balance from anyone else. Souness adds balance AT LAST.
I think Giles would be a much more valuable analyst if he was so afraid of Dunphy. Dunphy talks complete farsical rubbish and Giles is too scared to pull him on it. He would never speak to Dunphy the way he spoke to Souness last night, especially since they kissed and made up that time.
Dipstick Dunphy is used for the entertainment value and not his analytical wherewithall. He regularily contradicts himself and appeals to the barstool ' experts' only.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Souness and Brady, before him, provided open unbiased analysis. Brady was especially good during 'Saipan affair.
I dont think Rafa B is but I would say that it was a penalty looking at it from a different perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Fletcher got the ball and the man but it was a tackle from behind which is a foul. As this was in the penalty box, it was a penalty. You cannot tackle from behind anymore, end of story.
As the foul was on a player who was 1v1 with the keeper, it was a red card offence.
Being saying this for god knows how long. Spot on great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Anyone hear if Henry is fit for tonight? He has been nothing short of brilliant lately. It would be a shame if he misses out and a let off for Chelsea. It seems Guardiola likes playing him in his old postion out wide and he's been enjoying it lately
Wouldn't surprise me to see Iniesta pushed up the pitch and Keita brought in , even at the expense of Henry
Trained yesterday but Barce keeping their cards close to their chest on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
I have a feeling for Chelsea tonight and to win the whole thing.
The battle between Essien and the Barcelona midfield will be interesting. Probably the best "destroyer" in the world versus Xavi, Iniesta et al (imo by far the most creative midfield in Europe). It should be very entertaining.
[QUOTE=Emmet7;1155367]Disappointing from Arsenal, the first goal and slip by the defender ruined the game as a competitive fixture. I hope Aresenal come back stronger from this and they will have Arshavan next year. Their defence was torn apart at will by Utd. But I think Arsenal are a better team than the final result suggests.
arshaven next year sorry emmet you are really clutching at straws if you think arshavin is the answer to arsenal problems :mad: need a hell of a lot more players ... defence has been terrible for a while now midfield only fabregas stands out and up front adabayor only turns up against to lower teams :mad:
how can you win the ball first and then foul the player your momentum will carry you forward / into player most times we will be getting fouls every time a player makes a tackle now on your opionion above now ... did fabregas appeal for penalty did arsenal players appeall ...:ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
gomes did not even get sent off :D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
The rules clearly state that a tackle from behind a player is illegal. Perhaps the rules should be changed, but they're the rules. It was also probably interpreted by the referee as denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity, the consequence of which is a red card.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
But it was from the side, you are allowed tackle from the side. The tackles that are outlawed are the one where you have to go through a player to get the ball. Clearly Fletcher didn't go through Fabregas to get the ball. Think even referee's might disagree about this one but it clearly wasn't a tackle from behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
You're spot on there DeLorean regarding Fletcher. The UEFA system is a complete joke.
Chelsea looking good to go through at the moment. What a goal from Essien!
Not any more! Brilliant finish. Chelsea players should be ashamed of their antics at the end, good to see the ref booking some of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidic-class
He only booked Drogba...Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Dunphy is going on about the refereeing... jeez, hed wanna follow the LoI, then he'll know what bad refereeing is!!:mad:
Absolutly delighted. Biggest shower of ***** ever to take the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Booked Ballack after the penalty shout too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickNolan
Didn't see that booking but the reaction was a bit OTT imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
After the referee had walked into the tunnel Drogba turned around to the camera and shouted "He's a ****ing disgrace!". Can't believe he wasn't sent off.
Jeez, pot calling the kettle black!
Chelsea players reveal their true character at the end.
Don't think Manchester United have much to fear from that Barca team [maybe the return of Henry could spark them into life], they certainly don't have anything to fear from Messi though. Obviously a hugely talented player, but that's 360 minutes of CL semi final football against English teams where he's been anonymous, he's got to step up to claim that 'best player in the world' title people seem intent on bestowing upon him.
I haven't enjoyed watching a match as much in a long, long time. It was brilliant stuff! I couldn't have written the script any better myself!
I thought the referee was poor enough. Chelsea had six penalty appeals and three should have been given. Then we saw the Chelsea motto of 'If in doubt, cheat your way out' come through from Anelka when he tripped himself up to get Abidal sent off. Again like last night it was a terrible call by the ref to send him off.
What a great goal by Iniesta to send Barca through. Seeing the Chelsea players losing it after the final whistle was priceless!