Drogs vs Kiev the match part

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Originally Posted by barney

The English sides are far more gifted than the el sides. Even if you go down as far as Wigan and the likes.

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That league is at a far higher level to LOI, so there's no point comparing it. Saying that premier league players are much better than LOI players tells you nothing about the technical ability of English players as a whole - had Robbie Keane been playing they'd have said the same about him I'm sure. There are also almost 340 foreign players in the premier league - that's an average of 17 per team!
The fact of the matter is that, technically, English players are way behind players from France, Spain, Holland and most of the other major footballing nations. That's not just my opinion by the way, that's the opinion of Trevor Brooking and plenty of other people. It's pretty indicative that the top 4 teams in the premier league would barely have 10 English players in their respective starting elevens.

There's a lot of sensible stuff on this thread - am i in the right place here?

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Originally Posted by Dodge

paul, there's little to argue there, but the problem is that thats still apoxy excuse not to be a regular football fan. There is no reson why irish people should be like this (and even you contradicted your own point about the GAA)

And barney general point about caoching is true too, but the same is true of England and it dosen't stop the vast majority of people claiming allegiance to their poorly coached teams.

The facts are that until Irish people support Irish teams, we'll never have enough money to be able to do anything about it. Drogheda's defeat to Kiev, and all the friendlies in the world, isn't down to anyone but the Irish public for not supporting the best football teams in the country. I've no real problem with that, until the ***** turn around and say thats why they don't support the league. if you did support the league, we wouldn't have consistently bad results.

And I'll say it agin, I don't really care if people don't get it. Thats their tough ****e, the vast majority of people who claim to be football fans in ireland have absolutely no clue about the game.

BTW we're on course for 27th spot next year in europe, or exactly the half way mark in UEFA.

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Good news on the last line.

I realised I somewhat contradicted myself after posting but left it there. Its not a cop out or a fair excuse but it appears to be the irish psyche, except for intercounty matches through qualifiers have I found that people will sustain the interest and support weekly as oppossed to any other sporting event in this country. Somewhat unfairly I put in the context of EL and GAA Clubs not counties, which isn't a fair reflection on the support base either, in fact the EL should get more, but you still do get a lot of diehards that go to club games around the country, on a whole though its still limited.

ORA, get the boat, the point I was making refered directly to Barneys opinion/point on barstoolers. WHy bother coming on throwing in 2 lines here and there if you can't argue the point at hand. Just stay out then. Read from the start of Barneys input if you still don't know what I am on about. I never mentioned anything to do with coaching, neither did Barney not mention barstoolers.

I was going to start up a new thread there but felt it would be better just to revive this one. Just watching Dynamo Kiev playing in the UEFA Cup semis on Setanta Ireland.

Doesn't seem all that long ago Drogheda were giving them a good game. They can feel extra proud of their efforts looking at where Kiev have gotten to since.

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Originally Posted by TheFingallian

I was going to start up a new thread there but felt it would be better just to revive this one. Just watching Dynamo Kiev playing in the UEFA Cup semis on Setanta Ireland.

Doesn't seem all that long ago Drogheda were giving them a good game. They can feel extra proud of their efforts looking at where Kiev have gotten to since.

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A couple of us actually went to their match in the emirates against arsenal in the group stages!!! (and I have to admit I couldnt get out of me head 'this couldve been us' :()

Seems like a lifetime ago now though!!

I was going to resurrect one of last years co-efficient threads but this should do.

Dynamo Kyiv's defeat in the semis is a reminder of the different indicators of performance within the European competitions.

How far a team got?
Who they beat along the way?
Who their eventually conquerors are?
How far those conquerors got?

As a cup competition this allows a team to draw away from home or lose at home and still progress without anyone (usually outside the club) getting apolectic about the co-efficient.