He he hee.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
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He he hee.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
disproved by who steve?
Who is Steve?Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
A starter for ten is your assertion that the decision to move the slots to Belfast was as a result of government intervention.
Either substantiate this or admit you are talking out of your hat.
The Government have denied this and it would run contrary to any generally accepted corporate governance rules that apply to a private, listed company.
Once you've addressed that, we can move on to pulling the rest of your post to pieces.
Bertie Ahern puts more into the peace dividend than he does in actually running the country and if you believe the waffle that the first he knew of this was the friday before it was announced then im sure you believe all the rest of the bull **** since from his highly paid advisors.
The government totally underestimated the reaction to this and its plain to see that Bertie has gone into hiding since and I wouldnt like to be him when he sets foot in any of the affected areas not "The Shannon Region" anytime in the next year. This debate will not go away despite what our friends in Dublin think.
Hong Kong can be accessed via Gatwick. I'll give you Shanghai although could go via HK & daily traffic would be minimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
Shannon should pull out all the stops to get Cityjet Paris CDG route. Cityjet are owned by Air France which will appeal to Business Travellers (no collecting bags like Aer Lingus passengers in Heathrow) & its 2nd busiest airport in Europe. BTW you can fly direct to Shanghai too.
If you need to travel to South America can already do it via Madrid or the USA.
BTW Shannon Airport is run by local authority so why can't they negotiate with new airlines themselves? :confused:
Ooooh somebody is bitter about the peace process.....Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
You clearly think us Northerners are scratching around in our rags begging for Heathrow flights. You clearly are unaware that Belfast already has has 8 BMI flights a day to Heathrow. And probably another 30 to other London area airports. Therefore its a bit more competition for BMI but nothing more. The other European flights are much more attractive.
Bertie was on holiday. God help him that he chose to stay on holiday when a privatised airline discontinued a route......Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
Affected areas? Do Aer Lingus fly in the cure for foot and mouth?
Back up your assertions that the Aer Lingus flights to Shannon will have a material economic impact on the region or leave the discussion.
Its run by the Dublin Airport Authority (formerly Aer Rianta) and is state ownedQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
But I believe they Managed locally for day to day activities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Aer Lingus have rejected Ryanairs request for an EGM. They believe Ryanair are attempting to circumvent the competition authoritys ruling.
Meanwhile Enda Kenny nailed his colours to mast in an unequivocal pro-Shannon statement. He was visiting the area and pointed out that the stated strategic interests the government said they held a share to protect were Shannon, Cork and Dublin. Fine words from an opposition leader of course.
Could make for an interesting time if, as expected, Ryanair head for the high court and get their EGM which puts the government back on the hook Aer Lingus are trying to lift them off. Then the Government are again faced with having to vote with Aer Lingus board (effectively against Shannon).
It'll be more interesting to see how 2 Quota's O'Dea votes on the opposition motions that'll surely come. Or more tellingly when he tows the FF line and votes against intervention what effect it will have on his votes. That'll be the time the people of the region can give their true opinion on the debacle to the likes of Killeen, O'Dea, Power et al. But will they?*Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
*I think we already know the answer - they'll forget the strategic interest, because he was once nice to their granny and give him the number 1.
That's it in a nutshell. Niall Collins -who only got elected for the first time a few months back for FF in Limerick West was on Newstalk this morning giving loads about the effect on the region and then didn't even have to be pressed to admit that he won't vote against the government if it comes to it because he'll lose his precious whip and will be rendered an "ineffective" representative. His logic was FF through and through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I woke up this morning and it was like Groundhog Day, this issue is still being given airtime (or at least it appeared to still be the main item on Newstalk).
On the basis that re-nationalisation of either the old Aer Rianta airports or Aer Lingus is not on anyone sane's agenda (regardless of whether its the right thing to do I think we can all agree its unlikely to happen) then the story is pretty much finished.
Interestingly, SAA are dangling all sorts of incentives to carriers willing to oeprate the route such as co-marketing budget and heavily reduced landing fees. This is similar to what they already provide to Ryanair.
Maybe if these had been offered to Aer Lingus earlier the whole mess could've been avoided?
Latest news...
* Aer Lingus tell civil servants about future plans to leave Shannon.
* Civil Servant waits 6 weeks before telling the Minister or SAA
* DAA aware of Shannon pull out but don't tell the SAA
* Ryanair report Aer Lingus for releasing commercially sensitive information breaking Stock Exchange Rules
* SAA Chairman resigns (says was because DAA not sharing information)
Aer Lingus say will make average 75 pounds profit in Belfast or 15% of turnover. Flying to 8 other routes aside from Heathrow. It is fairly obvious Aer Lingus looking to expand from their reliance of Republic of Ireland hubs which is good strategic decision.
More like...Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
- Aer Lingus tell civil servants about future plans to leave Shannon.
- Civil Servants tell Dempsey and Bertie
- Dempsey and Bertie say "jesus, I didn't hear that!"
- Civil Servants therefore don't put it in writing
- News breaks that Aer Lingus told Civil Servants
- Dempsey and Bertie say, "we never knew that - have a look at the documents if you don't believe us"
- Bertie then sticks up for his Civil Servant (as he'd played the game perfectly).
The letter was to the Minister. From working in the civil service, there is absolutely NO WAY the minister's office did not receive that letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Person who called Aer Lingus would be classed as top ranking civil servant. (i.e his next promotion would be on the basis of government appointment only)
Possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I did not think of it until Ryanair lodged the complaint but Aer Lingus admitting they basically told one shareholder about future Commerical plans & not the others looks like a serious breach of the rules. Fran Rooney did something similar at Baltimore (conference call with brokers) which started his demise & ultimate sacking.
RTE News
Yawn.
So what if he knew. Was it supposed to go like this:
Civil servant tells Bertie AL are pulling the Shannon-Heathrow route. Bertie says "murders and gang-related crimes are going through the roof, the health system seems to have an inverse relationship as the more money we put in it the worse it gets, poor planning and low education spending is creating immigrant ghettos, the bubble in the housing market that has kept my party rich, and in Government [in that order] has just burst, but I'll clear the desk and focus all my attention on 4 flights a day to an airport in the middle of nowhere......"
No, its supposed to go like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
*They tell the relevent minister
*He deals with it
*He does not claim he hasn't seen letter
The Aer Lingus thing is a tough one as they'll (rightly IMO) claim they were telling the regulators rather than the shareholder
If only this part was true!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Goes back to the whole point of keeping the shareholding in the first place. Also serious questions on the non appointment of board members by the Government (still), apparently (conveniently) when votes were taking place to remove executive powers from the board.
imo the privatisation and intervention arguments are becoming secondary at this stage - it's clear that the Government is actually involved in a cover up about what it knew and when. I'd also suggest if it's true, based on the board giving away powers in the absence of Government nominees, it was actually conspiring to facilitate the move from the start.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
bearing in mind Limerick and Derry are very similarly sized how big do you think a place has to be to stop being an ah forget it I'm not even arsed.