i'm not from thurles myself but i gave a few years to peake villa and i know enough from them years about the players. I'm not sure do i agree with what your sayin about forgive and forget...was there not 2 players in loughnane and b.ryan that wouldn't play. Would the rest of them say forgive and forget had michaels won that match and then see those two players who wouldn't play the game transfer to michales. Whereas O Connor the main transfer target vowed to play the game and wasn't worried about getting cup tied.Are these players bigger than the team to say who and what games they can pick and choose to play..does loyalty remain anymore. Ted believes it does :eek: