I don't think that kind of scenario (tap in to empty net) was envisioned by those who came up with the double-jeopardy rule, but it probably applies alright, if you think the player made a genuine attempt to get the ball (I actually don't).
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I don't think that kind of scenario (tap in to empty net) was envisioned by those who came up with the double-jeopardy rule, but it probably applies alright, if you think the player made a genuine attempt to get the ball (I actually don't).
Yeah, that's my thinking too (apart from the bit about making a genuine attempt; I think he did)
How to tweak the rule though? Do we need to differentiate between a clear goal-scoring opportunity (which I think is where double jeopardy comes in - effectively a professional foul) and an open goal?
In that game, the bottom line is that the red card wouldn't have impacted the penalty, so you'd then have had just four minutes with an extra player on the pitch, which isn't a lot really.
England certainly the better side here, though they've only managed two chances. Might be a man up if Henderson went down holding his chin instead of his face.
Yet another penalty.
The Colombian fella almost bumped the referee when he was fouling Kane, and he still complains. That's utterly ridiculous. I'd have booked the lot.
And instead, Henderson gets booked!
Columbia are so bad tonight. Their build up play is awful and they keep giving England set-piece chances every three minutes. And now Cuadrado gets free in the box and skies it.
Easily England's best performance so far.
England's performances v Panama and Tunisia were streets better than this. They've been poor, albeit against a better side.
Has Ospina had a save to make, daft penalty aside?
Poor game overall.
Ha!
England ****ing up NEVER gets old!
Thought Colombia set up too defensively, and didn't commit enough to attack - with the result that England were able to press and smother them in midfield.
In the last 20 minutes when they pushed players forward they suddenly looked like creating chances.
Colombia horribly unbalanced now for extra time.
I love this World Cup. How about that shot before the goal?
Colombia have a fourth sub though; they can fix balance surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
England look shattered anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Wow, England look fatigued as hell, while Columbia look super fresh. The power of a last gasp equaliser.
Which is strange given they basically had a whole game off (v Belgium)Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Well, that's a huge result, breaking the shoot out hoodoo.
England did look very very tired and as they had more procession its supposed to be a bit easier .Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Just to be Devils advocate . Did Kane foul the defender before the defender fouled him for the penalty ?
I wondered that myself. Kane knows in the current climate ref's are more likely to blow for infringement inside the box, and that he now has a perception of being pulled, jostled or hauled down during set-pieces, so maybe he does a little bit of it himself to get a corresponding reaction, then hits the deck. More than once last night I thought he went to ground far easier than I have ever noticed before (not just during set-pieces mind). I'm certainly a big believer in the principal of "Six of one" and "Turnabout is fairplay" when it comes to shirt-pulling and shoving during corners, though I feel for the penalty Kane was more sinned against than sinning.
I wouldn't have a load of sympathy for Columbia regardless. They were ill-disciplined for way too long last night, and could have been a man down at HT, and more at FT if the ref had been a little less lenient with the constant haranguing.
they lost the plot too easily last night and if they had concentrated on playing football they would have won imo. when they got going late in the game they looked far more dangerous than England.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Interesting few snippets. The Colombian player scuffing the penalty spot before Kane's penalty kick while his compadres surrounded the referee.
Southgate going round with his list of penalty takers and Henderson half ignores him and nods yes when asked.
Houghton suggests that they should get rid of the rule about the keeper staying on the line if it's not being enforced. All very well but then does that mean he can charge off his line like a rugby conversion the minute the kicker moves to the ball or what ?
VAR has brought protesting to a new level. Take it out of the hands of the referee.
The last Colombian who missed a penalty in the WC was assassinated back in Colombia. I'd take a while to go home if I was those two guys. The American ref may also be on a hit list.
England deserved it. Final a real prospect.
They liked better when they gave it a go . Rodriquez would have made a big difference if he was fit and protected by the ref . 4 Years ago the Brazilians thought he was dangerous enough to kick him throughout the game and got away with it .Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Brazil are somewhat better this time but not miles better .