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Absolutely no wonder at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Why would an Irish Nationalist/Republican want to play for a British Association? Hardly a shock that some don't.
Whether you, me, your English friends, like it or not - The Queen is Head Of State in this part of the world known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.
Thread suspended at 94 Posts. Re-opened at 182 Posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'Shea's Boot
The rest of the world likes us because we are nice people who don't win. The Germans are hated for being clinical on the pitch and efficient off it, as other top countries are.
The Germans are superb fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Antipathy towards Catholics because they are Catholic would be sectarian surely, irrespective of whether or not the harbourer of such antipathy was knowledgeable of the doctrine of transubstantiation or not. Why else would someone be shouting "f*** the Pope" if not to insult Catholics in a sectarian manner?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
We've been discussing how our fans were viewed. Some buffoons sought to paint our support as sectarian, which influenced the direction of the discussion between those posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Oh, I've no doubt it is meant to offend - and, of course, it is base sectarianism.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
It grates with me that people who chant such stuff would not have the intelligence to explain their hatred.
I also think chants of "f**k the Queen" are sectarian.
The FAI showed solidarity with the families of innocent victims who were slaughtered at the hands of cowardly thugs.
I would assume that the fans of the FAI who see fit to roam European streets chanting their support for the IRA would have been against such an act by the FAI - on the basis that they show support for an organisation responsible for equally henious crimes.
All half dozen of them might have been against it, or not. Or 200 of them, whatever. Some Republican bigots follow Republic of Ireland team shocker. It's got nothing to do with the rest of us, you know it so why labour the point? Danny, you should know better too. You know what each other think, stop antagonising each other and ruining yet another thread.
But the eligibility thread's been quiet of late. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Danny has not "antagonised" me - and I have no intention of "antagonising" him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
The thread is about how the rest of the world see you - I presume that those who post clips of your fans on You Tube don't mind the rest of the world commenting on their behaviour.
They can comment all they want, you seem very keen on it. If anyone cares or notices outside your circles they'll probably think 'oh, there's a few bigots in the ROI's ranks'. Hopefully they won't think we're all like that because they'd be wrong and I suspect anyone without an agenda would know that.
Danny - the stuff being sung mostly FTQ and glorifying IRA murders - have to say very little in the Stadia but more at fans meeting places . as for was it Northerners - well yes in my experience over there it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Ireland has come so far over the past 15 years and surely we dont want this bile associated with our team
While off course I agree with the gist of your post SG88 - while SOME our fans allow themselves to be filmed behaving like bigots then we all get smudged - tarred with the old sectarian ticket unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I know ive gone on a bit in this thread but its only because I care
Not necessarily to the first part. Met more than a few Irish people with a Catholic background who have been more than somewhat disparaging towards the Pontiff and his representatives. So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
And, yes to the second part. Probably.
It depends though on where and who to...
Any chance of telling us something we don't know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
:rolleyes:
Hmm, even their neo-Nazi contingent? And they have more than the odd hooligan in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Still not that it should put us off 95+% of them.
You do know there are numerous English & Scottish people who are not too keen on Mrs.Windsor Snr?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
And wish her rather worse.
Are they also 'sectarian'??
Whereas you choose to ignore the reactions to Irish fans of the Polish, Germans, Spanish, Croats, Italians etc.Quote:
The FAI showed solidarity with the families of innocent victims who were slaughtered at the hands of cowardly thugs.
I would assume that the fans of the FAI who see fit to roam European streets chanting their support for the IRA would have been against such an act by the FAI - on the basis that they show support for an organisation responsible for equally henious crimes.
We don't see their 'outrage' recorded, do we?
Or the dignified response of someone like Colin Parry today commenting on Marty meeting the said Mrs.Windsor Snr.
Except that's just like saying every person from the North on those YT videos in February are 'crazed loyalist bigots', which by your logic they are....Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Anyway, I see the Queen is to visit Belfast and meet McGuinness next week. Hopefully she'll make any bigots on the Republican side look as churlish as she made some people look south of the border last year.
You've protested above and beyond what is regarded as too much, to make one very suspicious, in fact it's beyond farcical now, it's just that farce has already been stretched beyond previous known boundaries in another thread about the singing of the FOA a the end of the Spain game.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'Shea's Boot
You're not the full shilling are you? This is the only thing you have ever posted about? I seriously doubt you were even were at the Euros. Plenty of members here went to the tournament and have reported back on their experiences and reception from the locals. What happened? did you read something somewhere? on a forum? a newspaper? searched you tube to get offended and full of shame?
Some syncronised move between you and Not Brazil?
What a crew! you guys are hard up, in serious need of something else to focus on in life.
Back in the real world...
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Poland...86636648120682
A group started by, er, Poles.
And
http://www.facebook.com/events/238317902938368/
Of course there's a few bigots in your ranks - mainly Nordies, it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
The majority of your fans are top quality - as I stated previously.
I think the real scandal was the stadium PA guy playing an IRA song before the game. Our (obviously sectarian) players all stood to attention for it, and if there must have been 20,000 people singing it :p
I honestly don't think people outside the British Isles understand that we have artificially developed a concept of the good IRA from before 1968, and the bad IRA from after it. And I don't think they care much more about it than the average Irishman cares about whether a Barcelona fan is singing a song about the Spanish Civil War or the more modern Catalan separatist movement. As long as everyone is having a good time it scarcely matters.
To the rest of the world the IRA is something cool from the movies, or something they have never heard of. This thread has turned into a debate about how we see ourselves, but we all know that anyway, and no one is changing their mind.
The behaviour of the fans has been a credit to the whole country, and that credit will be extended to NI, as most people don't understand why there are 2 states in Ireland, think its nothing more than some sort of historical anomaly, and that we are all much of a muchness.
And they probably aren't far wrong.
Having watched all three games live in Australian pubs over the last couple of weeks, it was something special to see our support in Poland. To be honest, I don't even remember the end of the Spanish game, not from drink, but because I was overcome with pride listening to what our fans were doing in the stands.
In Melbourne, every person is a die-hard support of AFL/Cricket or NRL. Every conversation you have with an Aussie revolves around sport but not one person who watched any of the Irish games could believe the type of support that was shown. They taught it was incredible.
However, and this is not an attempt to tar those fans, there is an element of this IRA/f*** the Queen rubbish seeping into the FOA. To say it is only a couple of people is worrying. I assume most people on this site are grown up and don't resort to it but apart from that amazing rendition of the song at the Spain game, I cringe when I hear it being sung on tv. It is clearly audible to hear IRA being sang. Now it is not a majority but what I cannot comprehend is why people can so easily say "oh it's only a few" and sweep it under the mat.
We, rightfully, slate fans in Eastern European countries(or wherever else) when they resort to monkey chants/Nazi salutes/rioting but isn't that only a minority too?
Trying to explain to people why some of our fans are singing about a terrorist organisation is embarrassing.
youre talking absolute ****** - I been a member on here since 2009, and as I stated at the outset Ive been living away for the past year and a half - Im not a big forum user and you are superman - what a dull ****in life you must lead.I was at the Euro's - most of our fans were brilliant - some were a disgrace ...i was drawn to you tube by other peoples comments, especially mates ...doesnt make nice viewing and confirmed what I saw first handQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir