jofspring,despairingly some of us have to put up with a few supporters of one of the big clubs on these forums,these ..supporters have what i would term a ...tourist..approach.they jumped on the orient express a while back not knowing its real history and as you can see are babbling away like they have been on it for all its long existence.its a pity such a great history is being tarnished by a few,however its image will be saved ,the good will prevail.