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06/12/2009, 3:04 PM
Celdrog

Did Dundalk want a full time manager - Yes
Did Alan Matthews want to be a full time manager - No
Did Dundalk want Alan Matthews as he was going back to the bank - No
Did Dundalk want Alan Matthews if he wasn't going back to the bank - Probably.

Everybody's right and everybody wins a prize. Well done
06/12/2009, 3:25 PM
Nesta99

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Originally Posted by Dillonman

Your argument is getting boring to be honest. He was on a list of potential candidates but was never interviewed, end off. Therefore, technically he was never wanted. Anyone can end up on a list of potential candidates, I'm sure every bloody manager in the country would be on a list except for O'Neill and Fenlon as they would never leave their respective jobs.

Sorry Dillonman but that was a poorly constructed point!

If Drogheda fans really need to think that Dundalk covet their manager well let them. All in all a pointless argument but i'm sure there were many names on a list that were ruled out early and never approached. As Alan Matthews ruled himself out we will never know if he would have been on a shortlist or whether we would have asked Drogheda to speak to him.

The more i think and hear about Fosters appointment the better i feel about it tbh as initially it seemed like a panic appointment, but it seems that Foster was a serious option even before Kenny turned down the job. He is held in high regard in Galway and with greater resources could do very well. Previous 'risky' appointments have not worked out - Hewitt, Anderson, Gannon to a lesser extent, so maybe this time!
06/12/2009, 3:42 PM
Dillonman

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Sorry Dillonman but that was a poorly constructed point!

If Drogheda fans really need to think that Dundalk covet their manager well let them. All in all a pointless argument but i'm sure there were many names on a list that were ruled out early and never approached. As Alan Matthews ruled himself out we will never know if he would have been on a shortlist or whether we would have asked Drogheda to speak to him.

The more i think and hear about Fosters appointment the better i feel about it tbh as initially it seemed like a panic appointment, but it seems that Foster was a serious option even before Kenny turned down the job. He is held in high regard in Galway and with greater resources could do very well. Previous 'risky' appointments have not worked out - Hewitt, Anderson, Gannon to a lesser extent, so maybe this time!

Im off the same opinion Nesta, he seems to know his stuff and spoke well the other night. Interview now on LMFM with him.
06/12/2009, 6:03 PM
Martinho II

this is a totally random point but did dillonman not used to be a longford town fan? or am I thinking of the wrong guy??:confused:
06/12/2009, 8:25 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by ndrog

Ok for the last time then , we seem to be making the same point over and over again ! you wanted AM to be your manager and he didnt want to be .

It's time that Dundalk fans fessed up on this one. Alan Matthews was on the list - number 176.

The wish list top ten can now be exclusively revealed on foot.ie

1) Fabio Cappello............he also wanted to stay with his part time job
2) Sven-Goran Erikson.....insisted on a 25 year contract
3) Diego Maradona..........Told us to *'@# off
4) Jose Mouriniho............Said he couldn't understand us
5) Kenny Daglish.............We couldn't understand him
6) Bill Shankley...............Didn't answer
7) Colm Meaney..............Would do afternoon matinees only
8) Stephen McGuinness....He knew we would sack him after a week
9) Kilfenora Ceile Band.....Demanded a bigger dug-out
10) Gary Glitter..............was only interested in the youth team job

We were working our way through the list (we got as far as number 172) when a fella rang for the job - we thought he was Steve Foster, but sure he sounded keen. Sorry we didn't get as far as Alan Matthews. But theres always next year.
06/12/2009, 10:03 PM
SMorgan

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But theres always next year.

and he's not joking.
06/12/2009, 10:16 PM
Dillonman

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Originally Posted by Martinho II

this is a totally random point but did dillonman not used to be a longford town fan? or am I thinking of the wrong guy??:confused:

I duno where you got that from, Im from Dundalk and have always supported Dundalk FC, if this is in relation to me asking you about Stuart Byrne playing for ye the seaosn ye got promoted in 1999 or so then that was just a general question. Iv always paid had a good interest in the Eircom League/LOI the past 12 years or so.
07/12/2009, 1:30 AM
SligoBrewer

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Originally Posted by SMorgan

There is a rumour going around in Dundalk circles, that Sligo signed Chris Turner on the basis of money they'd get from winning the cup. Its said that the contract has been broken before the ink was dry. Anything to it?

Off topic post, needs serious moderation.
07/12/2009, 8:00 AM
Sam_Heggy

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Originally Posted by Dillonman

I duno where you got that from, Im from Dundalk and have always supported Dundalk FC, if this is in relation to me asking you about Stuart Byrne playing for ye the seaosn ye got promoted in 1999 or so then that was just a general question. Iv always paid had a good interest in the Eircom League/LOI the past 12 years or so.

I think you had to put too much effort into that post. You really support the big club don't you?
Don't worry your among friends here, you can reveal your secrets, no matter how shameful :cool:
07/12/2009, 9:52 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Nick Leeson is doing a good job of shouting this up, and distracting attention from the fact that Galway have lost successive managers.

The reality is that privately Nicky boy has absolutely no problem with Foster leaving - with the resultant salary saving. I don't know if Fosters contract has been honoured fully by Galway, but I seriously doubt if the angry public words by Nick are for anyone's consumption other then the dwindling Galway Utd supporters.

Foster resigned, Dundalk appointed him - it happens, accept it and move on Galway

Soooooo the club that took such a "principled" stance over the Dave Rogers incident think it OK to encourage a manager to break his contract and sign for them ? Double standards or Dundalk hypocracy ?

My, my the "high moral ground" at Oriel is really slipping :rolleyes:
07/12/2009, 10:20 AM
Nesta99

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Soooooo the club that took such a "principled" stance over the Dave Rogers incident think it OK to encourage a manager to break his contract and sign for them ? Double standards or Dundalk hypocracy ?

My, my the "high moral ground" at Oriel is really slipping :rolleyes:

Would that be the same moral high ground and principled stance that saw you unfairly dismiss your previous manager?

Dundalk fans believe that wrongs aren't wrongs when its done by nice people like ourselves and anyway Galway were already in breach of contract
07/12/2009, 11:01 AM
ndrog

[QUOTE=Ezeikial;1289185]It's time that Dundalk fans fessed up on this one. Alan Matthews was on the list - number 176.

The wish list top ten can now be exclusively revealed on foot.ie

1) Fabio Cappello............he also wanted to stay with his part time job
2) Sven-Goran Erikson.....insisted on a 25 year contract
3) Diego Maradona..........Told us to *'@# off
4) Jose Mouriniho............Said he couldn't understand us
5) Kenny Daglish.............We couldn't understand him
6) Bill Shankley...............Didn't answer
7) Colm Meaney..............Would do afternoon matinees only
8) Stephen McGuinness....He knew we would sack him after a week
9) Kilfenora Ceile Band.....Demanded a bigger dug-out
10) Gary Glitter..............was only interested in the youth team job

We were working our way through the list (we got as far as number 172) when a fella rang for the job - we thought he was Steve Foster, but sure he sounded keen. Sorry we didn't get as far as Alan Matthews. But theres always next year.[/QUOT

Way to much effort there mate ! i like the gary glitter line though :D
07/12/2009, 11:54 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Would that be the same moral high ground and principled stance that saw you unfairly dismiss your previous manager?

Dundalk fans believe that wrongs aren't wrongs when its done by nice people like ourselves and anyway Galway were already in breach of contract

Bohs paid compensation to Sean Connors and similarly Dundalk should pay compensation to Galway (so your comparison confirms my point).
The issue of Galways (alledged) breach of contract is irrelevant, during the Dave Rogers case we heard a lot of rubbish about Dundalk "doing the right thing" "principles" etc, this incident shows what a load of old guff that was.
07/12/2009, 12:10 PM
bholg

Why do you think they (the board) have acted wrongly in this case?

Foster says himself he was free to leave.
07/12/2009, 12:12 PM
mcgonigle

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Bohs paid compensation to Sean Connors and similarly Dundalk should pay compensation to Galway (so your comparison confirms my point).
The issue of Galways (alledged) breach of contract is irrelevant, during the Dave Rogers case we heard a lot of rubbish about Dundalk "doing the right thing" "principles" etc, this incident shows what a load of old guff that was.

So you're saying, that Dundalk should pay compo even if Foster was well within his rights to leave Galway and therefore Dundalk well within their rights to appoint him :confused:

Hope you're not handling any money up in Dalymount!
07/12/2009, 12:16 PM
jinxy lilywhite

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Bohs paid compensation to Sean Connors and similarly Dundalk should pay compensation to Galway (so your comparison confirms my point).
The issue of Galways (alledged) breach of contract is irrelevant, during the Dave Rogers case we heard a lot of rubbish about Dundalk "doing the right thing" "principles" etc, this incident shows what a load of old guff that was.

I get what you are saying Marino but as far as I know and I heard this off a very reliable source that Foster got proper legal advice in respect of this and he was advised accordingly. I think though, Dundalk would of requested that foster get that advice. If Ian wasn't being paid then I can't see where the problem is. I think the Dave Rogers thing regardless of my opinion unfortuneately was done without due process and the club was punished accordingly rightfully or wrongly.
I am pretty certain we will find out in due course whether we have acted inappropriately or not. All depends on who can hire the best lawyer though.

Marino I thought your hate Dundalk stance ended the day Seanie left. :D
07/12/2009, 12:25 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Bohs paid compensation to Sean Connors and similarly Dundalk should pay compensation to Galway (so your comparison confirms my point).
The issue of Galways (alledged) breach of contract is irrelevant, during the Dave Rogers case we heard a lot of rubbish about Dundalk "doing the right thing" "principles" etc, this incident shows what a load of old guff that was.

Alleged breach of Fosters contract by Galway is certainly highly relevant here. If it was breached (several times according to Foster) there is no onus, either legal or moral, on Dundalk to pay any compensation. If a valid contract was in place, Dundalk are likely to end up paying compensation.

Knowledgably Galway fans are well aware of the reality, as of course is Nick Leeson. His private words recognise this reality, while his public words are for the appeasement of the general Galway public and provide amusement to the gullible and internet WUMS.
07/12/2009, 12:32 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

Marino I thought your hate Dundalk stance ended the day Seanie left. :D

I don't "hate" Dundalk and was glad to see them come back up to where they belong last season. What I do hate (bit strong but however) is the hypocracy shown by some (not including yourself) Dundalk fans that are happy to preach about rules and/or principles as long as it is not Dundalk that is the transgressor.

I am happy to let "due process" clarify the outcome on Ian Foster even though morally Dundalk are in the wrong on the issue (again more than some were prepared to do on the 65% rule for example).
07/12/2009, 12:34 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Alleged breach of Fosters contract by Galway is certainly highly relevant here. If it was breached (several times according to Foster) there is no onus, either legal or moral, on Dundalk to pay any compensation. If a valid contract was in place, Dundalk are likely to end up paying compensation.

Knowledgably Galway fans are well aware of the reality, as of course is Nick Leeson. His private words recognise this reality, while his public words are for the appeasement of the general Galway public and provide amusement to the gullible and internet WUMS.

glad to see your "conversion" to matters factual. A major step forward from your comments on bohs all season :):):)
07/12/2009, 12:53 PM
bholg

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

I am happy to let "due process" clarify the outcome on Ian Foster even though morally Dundalk are in the wrong on the issue (again more than some were prepared to do on the 65% rule for example).

Morally in the wrong?

Foster feels he is within his rights to leave galway
Dundalk offer him a job
He takes it

I dont see where any moral qualms come into it.

If someone offered me a new job, say for more money, and I am free to leave my current employer, and do so - is my new employer morally wrong to offer me a position?

Do dundalk owe it to galway to leave them their manager, even though he wants to leave?

Sorry man - not nitpicking for the sake of it - I dont understand your angle.

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