Lansdowne Road Redevelopment Thread

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Originally Posted by pete

Old News, The architects were already given 6 months to respond & assuming that completed plenty of time for the planners to access before construction starts next year. Smells like a GAA agenda there...?

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Exactly Pete, more lazy journalism from the Indo. As you said, the development team have 6 months to respond and more than likely, the Resposnse to F.I. will be submitted before the summer. At one point in the article, the journalist wrote that failure to gain planning permission would be bad news for the government. Later in the article, the journalist wrote that Berties Ahern might take satisfaction from the failure of the project. What a contradiction. Sloppy journalism from a p!ss poor newspaper.

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Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

Exactly Pete, more lazy journalism from the Indo... Sloppy journalism from a p!ss poor newspaper.

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Ah Jayziz lads the Indo isn't THAT good :D

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Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

Exactly Pete, more lazy journalism from the Indo. As you said, the development team have 6 months to respond and more than likely, the Resposnse to F.I. will be submitted before the summer. At one point in the article, the journalist wrote that failure to gain planning permission would be bad news for the government. Later in the article, the journalist wrote that Berties Ahern might take satisfaction from the failure of the project. What a contradiction. Sloppy journalism from a p!ss poor newspaper.

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Hope you're right and it is just paper talk. I have always had a suspicion that there were going to be a number of gremlins in this project:
- does it have full Govt. support? If it does it will happen regardless. I believe there is something in this 'Bertie would like to see it fail' angle. He was really pi**ed about about the Bertie Bowl and saw it as his personal legacy to Irish sport.
- the influence of D4 anti-planning permission lobby is being underestimated. There are a lot of influential people who have vested interests, other than NIMBY, in this not going ahead. LR is prime real estate.
- was the application for planning permission rushed through to meet deadlines imposed not by DCC, but by GAA and UEFA/IRB? The number queries/points of clarification raised would indicate that the preparation process did not include much evaluation of what queries/objections were likely to be raised.

I hope I am wrong.

I've no doubt there may be problems with the project but i heard the IT environment journalist (Frank whathisname) on the radio a coiuple of months back & he outlined all the timescales & seems generally in favour of the project which was a surprise. I think he said there was an acknowledgement on the City Council side that the facility is required.

Any future hiccups is pure speculation at this stage.

HE €365m plan to redevelop Lansdowne Road got the green light from Dublin City Council last night.

But while rugby fans around the country were rejoicing at the news, angry residents were busy preparing to appeal the decision to An Bord Pleanala.

Locals living on Lansdowne Road, Shelbourne Road and O'Connell Gardens, which border the stadium, say the sheer scale of the proposed 50,000-seater arena will have a detrimental impact on their quality of life. Residents have taken exception to the fact that the development will encroach on their homes, block off light and cause major traffic congestion during events.

"We are totally dismayed at the decision," said Pauline Palmer, whose house in O'Connell Gardens backs on to the North Terrace of the famous old ground.

"This development will take away my skyline. Everyone living here will be affected by this.

"While the rest of Ireland is probably rejoicing at the decision, let's hope they all realise that there will still only be 19,000 tickets available to the public after the corporate and premium seats are sold."

She said residents felt that Dublin City Council completely disregarded objections made by locals in the past few months.

Lily O'Callaghan, who has been living on Lansdowne Road for the past 21 years, said locals were extremely disappointed.

"What we are most worried about is the fact that this development is completely made of translucent glass and if there is a fire or a bomb there is absolutely no natural barrier. We will be the ones that are hit."

The council granted planning permission for the development with 28 conditions attached.

However, local Labour councillor Kevin Humphreys, who lives in O'Connell Gardens, said a number of conditions needed to be altered if residents were to be remotely satisfied with the new project.

"The conditions to control the levels of dust on site are inadequate, to say the least," he said. "Under the conditions set out by the council, the developer will just have to hose down the stored material on site rather than have dedicated sprays installed around the exterior of the site to keep dust on site."

Cllr Humphreys said residents were also concerned that there were no conditions relating to the number of concerts that could be held in the new stadium every year.

But Sports Minister John O'Donoghue welcomed the long-awaited decision. "I see this as an important milestone in the realisation of this exciting project, which is progressing very much on schedule."

It is hoped the new stadium will be ready by 2009.

The IRFU, while welcoming the decision, said there was still a long way to go before construction got under way.

"The Irish Rugby Football Union warmly welcomes the notification from Dublin City Council of their decision to grant planning for the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road, while respecting that there remains some way to go in the process," said IRFU president Peter Boyle.

"The importance of this project for the future well-being of the whole of Irish rugby cannot be overstated."

Objections are expected to be lodged with An Bord Pleanala in the coming week.

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Originally Posted by Some Old Biddy

"This development will take away my skyline. Everyone living here will be affected by this"

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Biddy Eile

"What we are most worried about is the fact that this development is completely made of translucent glass and if there is a fire or a bomb there is absolutely no natural barrier. We will be the ones that are hit."

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:D

Clutching at straws, methinks, if that's the best they can come up with. No point arguing about congestion and problems with big crowds as capacity will be unchanged and smaller than at times in the past. Skyline would be more disrupted by the massive apartment complex that would replace the stadium if this falls through.

Best part of this is that it puts a halt to the objectors in the (Ulster) GAA who planned to block soccer/rugby from Croke Park if the planning process hadn't started. Once they get in to Croker, they can take their time finishing Lansdowne as far as I'm concerned. :)

Lansdowne Road residents have no case as the stadium is not particularily close to their houses - road & front garden between them.

Complaining about impact of a bomb is ludicrous & if thats the best they can come up with no hope.

A stadium is probably better option for residents than apartments & offices which will have 24/7 traffic.

The new stadium will not increase crowd numbers but will allow people leave the area very quickly afterwards.

Me thinks they are merely clutching at straws and no more. The issues raised in those press cutting are silly and will be ignored.

As for Croke Park and the ulster gaa gang, I just hope the project gets finished on time so we can get out of their place (that we subbed) and we can dis-associate overselves from them quickly. Funny isnt it, the people of ulster are whinging and moaning and spouting their usual sectarian dross about football going to Croke Park and were moaning about our new stadium and they are the only people on the island who didnt contribute a cent to either.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Lily O'Callaghan, who has been living on Lansdowne Road for the past 21 years, said locals were extremely disappointed.

"What we are most worried about is the fact that this development is completely made of translucent glass and if there is a fire or a bomb there is absolutely no natural barrier. We will be the ones that are hit."

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Lily ya bleedin legend!! :p What a great quote, nearly p1ssed meself laughing when I read that.

Like WTF? She wants the Stadium to protect against bombs? :rolleyes:

I can just hear George Hamilton now, "And here we are now at the opening ceremony for the new Landsdowne Bomb Shelter......eh, Stadium!!"

And as for complaining about dust when the building work gets under way? Welcome to Dublin love!! What about the people that live beside the LUAS and had to put up with that while the lines were being constructed..

And sure anyway, as has been said already, would the residents prefer a load of dodgy apartment blocks to be built in it's place?

It all just reminds me of when U2 played Croker recently. The residents were on the news complaining, not about the noise, not about the crowds and not even about the traffic. They were on complaining that they didn't get any free tickets. :rolleyes: If they don't like where they live, move out!! I've no sympathy whatsoever. Bit harsh I know, but it just annoys the hell out of me.

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But while rugby fans around the country were rejoicing at the news...

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Will the rugger boys be given maps to show them how to get to Croker?

Or will there be shuttle buses from outside Trinity?

what is this about the crowd size staying the same? 50k vs. 35k if I'm not mistaken??

Last time I checked friendlies had about 43,000 attending. 7,000 aint that much more. Rugby matches bring in 45,000 +, so as people said the volume of people around isnt going to be any different than before.

Im sure the rugby fans will get on fine. I fail to understand why some (a minority) of irish football fans poke fun at rugby fans. They have been very fair in dealing with irish football through the years.

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Originally Posted by vega007

what is this about the crowd size staying the same? 50k vs. 35k if I'm not mistaken??

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It can hold 49k for rugby afaik.

Reading in the IT today that only 1 appeal to the planning permission. I am not sure if date has closed yet for appeal submission as 6 weeks from planning approval to submit.

This is excellent news & looks like very good chance be on schedule.

Says the appeal is from local resident
- complaints include height of stadium as she & feet from the stadium boundary
- wants land outside home to be only used for VIPs & simialr access
- looking for alternative parking arrangements as cannot park outside her house on match day,

They all seem trivial enough for compromise to be sorted.

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That's very suprising. Excellent news if that's the only appeal.

4 weeks remain....residents groups have not gone away ye know.....if its too good to be true etc etc

Did I read somewhere that an bord pleanala were to announce their decision today? Any news on it?

I think it was delayed for another month.

Im not too sure though.

An Bord Pleanala have until the 22nd of March to make its decision.

What happens if its rejected, the IRFU have other options (as mentioned in last weeks SBP) but what about us ???


"Industry sources speculate that McNamara may also be willing to do a swap deal with the IRFU for Lansdowne Road if they do not receive planning permission. McNamara owns the nearby Glass Bottle Site in Ringsend, which has previously been touted as a viable location for a national stadium.

McNamara headed a consortium that acquired the site for €400 million last year from South Wharf and Dublin Port.

Another scenario could see the IRFU sell the ground to a property developer, and opt to build a stadium at Newland’s Cross in west Dublin, where they own significant land."

http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/st...585-qqqx=1.asp

I think the IGB site would be more likely than Newlands, if Lansdowne went oval-shaped, so to speak, keeping it in D4.