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Klinsmann got the same kind of stick when managing Germany at the last WC i.e. didn't live in the country and didn't go to enough games. I don't care about that but I do think that omitting form players like Noel Hunt and Rory Delap is plain stupid. Most of the squad aren't ven playing regular football so he's only going on a few training sessions with them - why not broaden the net and call up a larger squad of players?
I think that newspaper article that was posted on the last page backs up the point i made initially. He is punishing players who weren't involved in the Portuguese training camp. A small bit of me can understand his logic but players simply have to be picked on form. Miller, Bruce, Long, Gibson Folan are simply not getting game time so to call them up ahead of players in form is, quite frankly, wrong. I can probably add Murphy to that list as he is playing in League 1 while Westwood is getting rave reviews in the Championship. Trap has to start making a bit more of an effort at seeing the fringe players play in England. With the wages he is getting that should be a given
Seriously...do you even think that is a point?Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Which games should he watch then as a manager of our team?
Nail...head.......My point exactly........Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I'm amazed that Noel Hunt and McCarthy haven't been called up to be honest. Also, we've had brilliant prospects in centre midfield for years and they've always just been "about to make the break -through". If we don't blood these youngsters soon then it'll be much harder to in the next campaign when they'll be needed.
I realise Trap's pragmatic and concentrating on qualifying first and foremost but surely Noel Hunt's good enough to do a job for us this campaign over Long who's not getting a game in the same Championship team?
This stubborn approach to team selection may alienate some players and whilst i don't agree with players retireing from international football and throwing their rattle out the pram, it's a real possibility. Look at Boyd with Scotland.
You're comparing the two on such as basic level and I don' think that is any real benefit. Noel Hunt was 24-25 when playing for Dundee United and performing well without doing anything spectacular. Indeed most would openly admit that the players who perform very well on a consistant basis in Scotland attract bids from the Old Firm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
McCarthy on the other hand is 18 years of age tomorrow. He has performed over 80 times for his club, has been linked with just about every top club side in Europe and is constantly receiving overtures from Scotland.
As a result I believe it is possible to clamour for McCarthy's involvement in a full Ireland squad whilst still retaining the belief that the Scottish league is 'a load of tosh'.
My original point was really that Noel Hunt had largely been ignored whilst having a great season for Dundee Utd last season, though now he has banged in a few goals for Reading every poster and his dog wants him called up (By the way I think he should have been included). At 25 years of age, thankfully he is not past his sell by date just yet.
I was not really looking to compare him to McCarthy who from the little Ive seen and read about is a great prospect (though he was largely ineffective in the recent game against Celtic at Celtic Park).
He has done great to get 80 odd appearances at such a young age, remember though that these appearances are in a league that is a 'load of tosh'......no wait, its worse than that, because they were largely in a league below that one. I doubt every top club side in europe have even heard of Hamilton Academicals.
I suppose what Im getting at, is the trend of fans/posters just looking to get every young Irish player that happens to get a few headlines in the squad (another example being Cillian Sheridan who should be nowhere near an international squad for some time yet).
Hopefully they both get a shot at some stage.....................
A point I dont think anyone has picked up on is McGeadys inclusion. Currently injured (and was at the time the squad was announced), certainly not in Celtics squad for tomorrow nights SPL game against Killie, though there is another game on Saturday and he might be back
Possible withdrawal?? will it be a wasted squad space? - are there any other players in the squad currently injured?
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Originally Posted by Junior
That is probably where the Provisional squad rumours a few days ago. I'd imagine there are players on standby in case of withdrawals.
We were 10 points behind the qualifiers at the end of qualifying, so your point about being 3 points behind the leaders with a game in hand is not very relevant at the moment is it??:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
And as for why should he go?? I can think of about 3 million reasons a year why he should be going to games.
And just a mention to the people who think Doyle and Keane should start and get as much playing time together, what happens if one or both of them get injured??
And finally, as a blackburn fan. Keith Andrews was at his level in league one.
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Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Good man. I fully agree.Four posts, two of which i have read and they are spot on. keep up the good work.
It was League Two. However, I don't think its possible to judge a player after less than 10 games. He's not doing too bad and there is always going to be great apprehension when a player of his age makes such a jump in divisions when the norm seems to be get a player in from abroad. I doubt he would be met with as much derision if he was a name from abroad that nobody had heard of. I say give him a chance to prove himself. Saying that, I wouldn't have included him in the full international squad. But then again, there are plenty of unproven players in the squad, he'll be in good company!Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
This squad should have been like a b team squad.give the fringe player's a chance.That way you get to see who's able and who's not.Few regulars in there but majority should be fringe player's.The result is regardless i think,should be about bedding player's in and giving them games.murphy,westwood,fahey,garvan,o'toole,mccarth y,even morrison should all be in the squad and don't get me started on how reid isn't in the squad.Like noel hunt is outscoring long and keeping him out of the team yet long is in the squad.Surely everyone can see that's wrong.What must hunt be thinking he has to do to get in the squad?
Its unbelievable that people are in uproar over the omission of Rory ****ing Delap. An honest pro, a good trier, but its 32 year old Rory ****ing Delap.
"Yeah but I saw Stoke v. Spurs on Sky a few weeks ago and I've heard his throws are amazing".
Lads, its Rory Delap. He isn't going to reinvent our midfield. He'd do exactly the same job as the other players in the squad, though he's a little older, and forgive me but I believe he operates on the right of a midfield at Stoke (unlike many on here I'm happy to admit I haven't seen players play at Stoke before screaming for their inclusion).
I am one of Noel Hunt's biggest fans, he's the best striker I've ever seen play for my club and he's a bloody nice fella. I'd tear my arm off to be able to watch him play week in week out. But because he's been keeping Long out of the Reading team for a month or so now doesn't mean I no longer trust one of the most respected managers in world football, and that he should be thrust in to international football, especially when you remember Long has been involved in squads for a couple of years now and is more familiar with the set up etc. Lets get real, they're competing for 4th place striker in the squad. What if he called Noelio up at Longs expense, but by the time the March qualifiers come around Long is in form and Noel Hunt is on the bench? Would it be ridiculous to leave Hunt in the squad in that case?
There's more to picking a squad then scanning teletext to see who has scored this week.
It is. We have a boss who is getting us results, regardless of the quality of opposition. The kind of opposition we've dropped points to in recent campaigns. Should we win our next two games, and Italy fail to beat Montenegro, we will go to Italy clear on top of the group. It's a long time since we were in such a position.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
List them all then.Quote:
And as for why should he go?? I can think of about 3 million reasons a year why he should be going to games.
He has 4 back-up staff to do that for him. He is not contractually obliged to watch any players. By contrast, Steve Staunton lost at Derby tonight. Yet another poster thinks he would do no worse than Trappattoni. :rolleyes:
Regarding Reid, Andy Reid has started 2 games for Sunderland this season. He also has weight issues, and that clearly influences Trap's thinking. He is not the kind of player he wants. He wants grafters, who can last 90 minutes, and is capable of holding the ball up when defending leads. Trap obviously doesn't think Reid can.
He has won everything in the game, so he knows what he's doing. The comparison with Klinsmann when he was German boss is accurate.
I don't rate McCarthy at this point and wouldn't have him near the squad for the actual qualifiers but at least lock him up!
Exactly.... And when you find Trapps criteria for picking his squads enlighten me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
A few posters here are pegging those of us that are unhappy as merely Championing Andy Reid, Noel Hunt or Rory Delap. Balls. Read all of them and comment on all of them. Other wise it's a cop out
It's basic evolutionay theory. It's not the quickest or the strongest that do well, it's those best equiped to deal with change!!!!! Trapps doing alright now with his first choice eleven. We got a couple of yellows against Cyprus and bound to get more. There's the innevitable injuries. Trapps squad is stagnant and based on a training camp in portugal and a B international against Forrest...
It's business. Scan the environment for change and react accordingly. Form changes, player availibilty changes, attitudes changes. I'm not talking about change for the sake of change I'm talking about Trapp not even scanning to see if there are better options to insulate yourself from the effects of change. I'm talking about Trapp not going to games. I'm talking about Trapp not even knowing Delap is an option, never mind rejecting him. I'm talking about not using Friendlies to check options. I'm talking about inconsystencies in what he's saying (previous posts). It's lazy for me.
So I'm not tipping mickeys with Delap ar Reid.. I'm predicting the the last 10 minutes against Cyprus is a sign of things to come.... We haven't seen Trapp do enough to ensure we've the best bacfill options or plan B.
Teambuilding, organisation, structure, discipline, continuity, mentality .... need we go on? Trapattoni's "actions" are clearly defined and calculated.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Evolution theory? :rolleyes: Trapattoni is building a team - the whole is greater than the sum of its parts :D. Try to put yourself in the position of Trapattoni and look at it from his perspective and not your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
As for not checking his options - how many players attended the training camp in Portugal, were included in the senior match squads and the B international match squad, and how many players start a football match?
By all means attack the man if we lose a game or two (for the exact date as to when this will happen ask paul_oshea) but Trapattoni is demonstrating clear method behind his madness and I have no reason to question his abilities of leading us to a World Cup at this stage in time. And I'd have no problem in letting Trapattoni drive the train to Cork. :D
Both Reid and O'Brien, it would appear, have decided not to be a part of the squad or have fallen foul of the management (temporarily?).
I can't comment on the championship players, I haven't seen them in a senior game.
Do people here actually watch televised championship games?
From the beginning Trap said that success with his teams are not about playing the best football but the best teamwork, defend with 7 attack with 4 (sounds like a line from Animal farm).
somebody is reading too many business managment booksQuote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee