everton/liverpool catholic/protestant

of coarse this doesnt matter in football but ive been asked this a few times and thought ye may be interested
both clubs were set up by the same people middle class prodistant business men .
most people in liverpool are everton fans like in manchester its city fans .everton being the club for the ordinary working class man (peoples club), in the 50's there stars were irish and so most of the working class in liverpool being irish started to watch everton .
this led to a sudo irish feel to the club this continued through the 80's when everton and celtic were the only 2 clubs to fly the tri colour in britain . this is why everton are now considered a "irish" club . there is a lot more but it gets boring

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Originally Posted by anto1208

of coarse this doesnt matter in football but ive been asked this a few times and thought ye may be interested
both clubs were set up by the same people middle class prodistant business men .
most people in liverpool are everton fans like in manchester its city fans .everton being the club for the ordinary working class man (peoples club), in the 50's there stars were irish and so most of the working class in liverpool being irish started to watch everton .
this led to a sudo irish feel to the club this continued through the 80's when everton and celtic were the only 2 clubs to fly the tri colour in britain . this is why everton are now considered a "irish" club . there is a lot more but it gets boring

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P-r-o-t-e-s-t-a-n-t

why were everton flying the tricolor?i know 9 of 11 first teamers were Irish at one point in the 50s alright.
liverpool FCs founder was an orangeman btw.evertons original name was st domingos, i beleive this name was taken from the local catholic church,but am open to correction.George Mahon led the toffee exit from anfield to goodison due to a doubling of rent at anfield, where everton have played since.mahon;that an irish name by any chance??
interesting programme the other night léargas on rté1. was about the Irish diaspora in liverpool. mentioned everton being the more popular club amongst the Irish. 1 in 4 liverpudlians have Irish roots according to the programme

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Originally Posted by SaucyJack

P-r-o-t-e-s-t-a-n-t

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That would be Liverpool FC, the Huns of Merseyside. Everton are/were the Irish and Catholic club in Liverpool. Leargas on RTE One the other night was about sectarianism in Liverpool complete with Loyalist flute bands with the LFC crest.

Irish people are such sickening bandwagon jumpers that an historically Hun club like Liverpool are just behind Man Utd and Celtic in terms of popularity.

You even get people who "support" Liverpool and Celtic. One because of the obvious Irish connection, the other because.....

KOH

Ha ha ha ha! 'WeAreRovers', you langer! The Liverbird crest is the crest of Liverpool City Council and it's people. It's the civic crest of Liverpool dumbass. It's all over the city, in all the old buildings, and is imprinted on all street furniture etc. It's the equivelant of Dublin City Council using the castle crest. Anybody is free to use it, even Orange bands. Its use means nothing. Even if they used the actual LFC crest, do you think for one minute that Liverpool FC supporters give a toss about Orange Orders? The Orange Order in Liverpool are a minority of idiots who are causing a bit of trouble in a city steeped in Irish culture. Liverpudlians don't consider themselves English, and there's a reason for that.

Liverpool FC have absolutely no definate religious following. Hark back to the days when they were formed if you like, by an Irish protestant by the way, but it means nothing today. The Liverpool supporters sing both a version of the sash (called 'scouser tommy') and a version of the Fields of Athenry (called Fields of Anfield Road), which proves that they don't give a sh*t what religion their fans are. Have you ever seen the giant flag that the Kop waves before games? The Irish tri-color features proudly on it. Tri-colors are also seen all over Anfield at every game. So if you're trying to stir up a religious debate about Liverpool FC, you're wasting your time. Leave that to the Old Firm and other pathetic fans of clubs like that.

Liverpools connection with Ireland is stronger than Evertons, and has been for years. The Irish connection when Liverpool were most successful is evident of that - Ronnie Whelan, Ray Houghton, Stevie Staunton, Tony Cousins, Mark Lawerenson, John Aldridge, Steve Heighway, Michael Robinson etc - In fact, the latter three were born scousers, born Liverpool supporters who declared for Ireland. Would they have done so if Liverpool is a 'protestant\hun' club? I don't think so! Souness broke the chain of Irish players, but you wouldn't have expected any less from him at that time. Even today, our own Darran Potter is an example of a Liverpool FC scouser playing for Ireland.

Until Houllier took over, Liverpool were also pre-season visitors to these shores every year without fail. Hardly the mark of a 'hun' club.

Finally, what Scottish club do Liverpool share an intimate affiliation with? If Liverpool are a hun club, you'd expect it to be Rangers, wouldn't you? But because you're talking bullsh*t, it's actually Celtic. The two clubs have shared countless testemonial matches, pre-season games and great european nights, not to mention Celtic using Liverpools anthem 'You'll Never Walk Alone'. Anytime a retiring Liverpool player had a testemonial at Anfield, it was Celtic, not Rangers, who were invited almost everytime. Do Liverpool have any connection with Rangers. No, absolutely none. You can buy Celtic\Liverpool scarves in the Liverpool club shop. Not a Rangers thing in sight. 'Hun' club alright. :rolleyes: The ironic thing is though, you could say Everton have an affiliation with Rangers. Everton have often played in the Ibrox pre-season tournaments, and have a strong recent transfer history with Rangers players and managers.

So stop talking rubbish lads ;) :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by anto eile

why were everton flying the tricolor?i know 9 of 11 first teamers were Irish at one point in the 50s alright.
liverpool FCs founder was an orangeman btw.evertons original name was st domingos, i beleive this name was taken from the local catholic church,but am open to correction.George Mahon led the toffee exit from anfield to goodison due to a doubling of rent at anfield, where everton have played since.mahon;that an irish name by any chance??
interesting programme the other night léargas on rté1. was about the Irish diaspora in liverpool. mentioned everton being the more popular club amongst the Irish. 1 in 4 liverpudlians have Irish roots according to the programme

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Everton were founded by St. Domingo's Methodist Church. That buries the Catholic/Protestant argument, full stop. Liverpool's founder was a man by the name of John Houlding. The orangeman you are referring to is John McKenna, who moved to Liverpool from Co. Monaghan, and he was not the founder but rose up the ranks. Liverpool had Irish traditions in the early twentieth century with players like Wexford's Billy Lacey from Shelbourne and Elisha Scott from Belfast Celtic. This religion talk in Liverpool would only be laughed at. People back there do not really care, and I visit Liverpool a couple of times a year and the people have the greatest respect for the Paddy.

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

That would be Liverpool FC, the Huns of Merseyside. Everton are/were the Irish and Catholic club in Liverpool. Leargas on RTE One the other night was about sectarianism in Liverpool complete with Loyalist flute bands with the LFC crest.

Irish people are such sickening bandwagon jumpers that an historically Hun club like Liverpool are just behind Man Utd and Celtic in terms of popularity.

You even get people who "support" Liverpool and Celtic. One because of the obvious Irish connection, the other because.....
KOH

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I have a lot of PROTESTANT friends in Dublin and we all support Shamrock Rovers. Are you saying that Rovers are the HUNS of the Eircom League ?

Everton's strong historic links with Shamrock Rovers; Everton/Celtic bobble hats in the eighties; Tricolours at Goodison years before the Irish barstoolers discovered LFC; Everton's strong links with the ROI including hosting the famous 2-0 win over the old enemy and providing most of that team (along with Rovers of course)

I appreciate that if you're young you would naturally assume LFC had strong Irish links and yes they do - with travel agents and Loyalists. After Rangers LFC are the number one club of choice for the discerning Loyalist thug.

As late as the mid-seventies 12th of July marches wound their way through Liverpool city centre complete with red scarf wearing marchers. The marches still go on to this day as does the sectarian hatred but don't let that get in the way of supporting LFC.

Also I would imagine that a Liver Bird with LFC written underneath it represents the football club and not the city. And yes I do hate Liverpool Football Club, always have and always will. Don't ask me why...I'm receiving counselling and I'll keep you all informed as to my progress. ;)

KOH

orange marches go on in loads of places in the uk not to mention a few in the republic of ireland

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Everton's strong historic links with Shamrock Rovers; Everton/Celtic bobble hats in the eighties; Tricolours at Goodison years before the Irish barstoolers discovered LFC; Everton's strong links with the ROI including hosting the famous 2-0 win over the old enemy and providing most of that team (along with Rovers of course)

I appreciate that if you're young you would naturally assume LFC had strong Irish links and yes they do - with travel agents and Loyalists. After Rangers LFC are the number one club of choice for the discerning Loyalist thug.

As late as the mid-seventies 12th of July marches wound their way through Liverpool city centre complete with red scarf wearing marchers. The marches still go on to this day as does the sectarian hatred but don't let that get in the way of supporting LFC.
Also I would imagine that a Liver Bird with LFC written underneath it represents the football club and not the city. And yes I do hate Liverpool Football Club, always have and always will. Don't ask me why...I'm receiving counselling and I'll keep you all informed as to my progress. ;)

KOH

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Don't you worry pal it won't.
I support Liverpool for what I see on the pitch not what happens on the Garvaghy Road.
I go to Anfield three or four times a year (with my Protestest Shamrock Rovers mates) and the Liverpool fans are overly friendly to us Paddies. They sort you out with tickets in the pubs and everything.

You just stick to ripping the seats out of Richmond Park and giving Nazi salutes at games with your neo-Nazi mates from Germany.

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Originally Posted by stojkovic

I support Liverpool for what I see on the pitch not what happens on the Garvaghy Road.

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great line :D

Wearerovers,

If only you had explained all this to me when I started following LFC, maybe I would have seen the light, and chosen more carefully.

Then again, at the time, they were winning all round them, and I was only 6 years old, so apologies if I didn't read up on any loyalist background.


"most people in liverpool are everton fans like in manchester its city fans "

Is that just a bit of a myth, in both cases.

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Originally Posted by noby

Wearerovers,
"most people in liverpool are everton fans like in manchester its city fans "

Is that just a bit of a myth, in both cases.

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What about the "most Shamrock Rovers fans are Protestants" one ?

Church on Sunday morning following by
Boys Brigade march down Suffolk Street.
Bewleys for tea and scones
The it was down to Milltown for 3.30ko
Oh the memories of a
Protestant Shamrock Rovers childhood

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Originally Posted by millwallfc

And what about Sheffield Utd and Wednesday,the blades set up by catholics but you don't hear anything about that today thank fcuk.Keep religion out of football.

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:) from a Millwall fan :)
Yeah, join the National Front instead.

Losing the plot here – gang of arseholes that’s why I stopped going on this site they don’t have a clue. That We Are rovers c*nt with his “you even get Liverpool – Celtic sopporters “ if he was standing in front of me I’d knock him, out he is the exact reason why I don’t go to pubs to watch liverpool play ! ARSEHOLE ! ! !
All I know is that Anfield was named by an Irish catholic priest after a field in Ireland which he grew up on or something – after that I don’t give a boll*x, catholic or protestant, I know what I am that’s all I care about.
Cant take that kind of small mindedness if I was at all interested in that I would be supporting a good irish club like celtic ! :rolleyes:
Anyway he supports rovers nothin but a gang of drunk “lower class” hooligans used to go up there to watch Shels and get chased out most times by gangs of 20 – 25 year olds with cans of old sommerset ! this was when I was about 13 ! Lovely gang of people !

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Originally Posted by anto1208

most people in liverpool are everton fans like in manchester its city fans

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Myth - every survey ever done has proved otherwise. And stockport isn't in Manchester anyway ;)

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Originally Posted by anto1208

this led to a sudo irish feel to the club this continued through the 80's when everton and celtic were the only 2 clubs to fly the tri colour in britain . this is why everton are now considered a "irish" club . there is a lot more but it gets boring

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Actually no, United fly the international flag of the first teamers - not many times in the history of the club there hasn't been an irishman playing. Infact, during the long running "friendship" between United and Celtic (ruined by the RA songs at a friendly a few weeks after one of the Manchester (or could've been Warrington Bombings) flying the tricolour was used by Rangers fans to justify they're hatred of United (seriel Munich singers - Davros you've something in common with them).

Many English teams drew support from the Irish Diaspora, which sometime manifested itself in splits in two club cities. In Manchester, United were the Catholic Club, City the protestant club (United were nearly Manchester Celtic at the Newton Heath name change). Long time since it ever mattered though, thank fook...

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Originally Posted by millwallfc

Listen Stojkovic

Don't tar us all with the same brush,every club has it's loonies ok :mad: ,you follow Rovers you should know.

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Thats good to hear.

[QUOTE=Macy]Myth - every survey ever done has proved otherwise. And stockport isn't in Manchester anyway ;)

Actually no, United fly the international flag of the first teamers
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check your facts in the 80's all the clubs decided to not fly the tri colour even hibs the only 2 that did fly it were everton and celtic . this is a fact not opinion

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Originally Posted by RushIan

Losing the plot here – gang of arseholes that’s why I stopped going on this site they don’t have a clue. That We Are rovers c*nt with his “you even get Liverpool – Celtic sopporters “ if he was standing in front of me I’d knock him, out he is the exact reason why I don’t go to pubs to watch liverpool play ! ARSEHOLE ! ! !
All I know is that Anfield was named by an Irish catholic priest after a field in Ireland which he grew up on or something – after that I don’t give a boll*x, catholic or protestant, I know what I am that’s all I care about.
Cant take that kind of small mindedness if I was at all interested in that I would be supporting a good irish club like celtic ! :rolleyes:
Anyway he supports rovers nothin but a gang of drunk “lower class” hooligans used to go up there to watch Shels and get chased out most times by gangs of 20 – 25 year olds with cans of old sommerset ! this was when I was about 13 ! Lovely gang of people !

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well if you arent interested in this topic then dont read the messages and reply to posts so its very easy to do !!!
plus most of what we are rovers said is actually true so go learn your facts before you have a go at people havin a discusion !


liverpool fans in ireland all think that liverpool have this great irish link they dont ,they were winning every thing when these guys were kids so they followed them ,just like the kids are utd fans now in ten years they will be going on about the great irish links .rubbish


some one said you can get celtic/liverpool scarfs of course you can you get them when the teams met in europe they are available for every game no matter who they play . but what i did notice was the abundence of liverpool /rangers scarfs at the carling cup final on sunday

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Originally Posted by anto1208

well if you arent interested in this topic then dont read the messages and reply to posts so its very easy to do !!!
plus most of what we are rovers said is actually true so go learn your facts before you have a go at people havin a discusion !


liverpool fans in ireland all think that liverpool have this great irish link they dont ,they were winning every thing when these guys were kids so they followed them ,just like the kids are utd fans now in ten years they will be going on about the great irish links .rubbish


some one said you can get celtic/liverpool scarfs of course you can you get them when the teams met in europe they are available for every game no matter who they play . but what i did notice was the abundence of liverpool /rangers scarfs at the carling cup final on sunday

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I was at the match on Sunday and can't recall seeing one Liverpool/Rangers scarf. I spend a week or so every month in Liverpool for work and try to take in a game when there. I have never had a problem from the fans about been Irish. The LIverpool fans I have met couldn't give a toss about someones religion and don't appear to have any interest in Scottish football one way or the other. Liverpool is the only team they support as far as I can see.

I started supporting Liverpool after seeing them getting beat by Manu in the 1977 cup final. It was the first live match I had watched on TV. Can't remember why I decided LIverpool and not Manu but it wasn't because of any perceived historical Irish link.

no one is saying that either is really one way or the other it was asked of me a few times and i went found the actual answer that neither are catolic or irish and just though some people might be interested in the actual answer for the next time it crops up in conversation !!

and of coarse we all know it does nt matter coz we are nt scottish or nordies !!!

Im not a toffees fan, Im a Burnley fan. but on seeing alot of evrtons games lately they have come an awfull long way, when liverpool seem to be at a stand still. Liverpool are constantly trying to live up to this super team that they have been labels as sine there glory days, well just for the liverpool fans out there, they are long gone. Its time that yee all woke up and smelt the coffee, unless something is drastically done with that team, yee are going no where for a long time. I saw Everton play last weekend against Villea and to say they were good is an understatement, they were brilliant, every time they attacked I thought they would score. David Moyes has done wonders with that club and long may it continue.

what a rubbish thread

Have to say, after reading all this 'religion in sport' stuff its started me thinking. I found out last month that Ajax are a Jewish club - I'm still in shock.

Can all those Rovers and Celtic fans out there identify for me which of the following clubs that I should STOP supporting because they are not a Holy Catholic Club ;

Liverpool
Ajax
Milan
Fiorentina
Racing Club de Paris
Real Madrid
Boca Juniors
Dynamo Dresden
Dukla Prague
Vasco da Gama
Colo Colo
Real Mallorca
Shamrock Rovers (but may change to Pats)

Also what is the Sinn Fein/IRA stance on all this ?

Can you be a Republican AND support Liverpool ?

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what a rubbish thread

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good contribution you idiot what did you expect from the tittle !!!

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Originally Posted by Conor74

I dunno, but it seems he certainly wasn't expecting the whole Everton/Liverpool/Catholic/Protestant thing anyway... :D ;)

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He certainly wasnt expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

good contribution you idiot what did you expect from the tittle !!!

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i expected a rubbish thread and yup i was right

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Originally Posted by stojkovic

Fiorentina

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Defo taigs, they have a shirne of the the Virgin Mary built into one of the stands. FACT

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Originally Posted by Conor74

I dunno, but it seems he certainly wasn't expecting the whole Everton/Liverpool/Catholic/Protestant thing anyway... :D ;)

But I do think this thread is a subtle wind up. It really cannot be that big a deal nowadays surely.

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its not a big deal that is why i started by saying it isnt important but i had been asked a few times and thought since it keeps cropping up some one might be interested in an actuall answer based in facts not stuff like they have scarfs that say liverpool and celtic so they are irish ...........

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Originally Posted by Macy

(United were nearly Manchester Celtic at the Newton Heath name change). Long time since it ever mattered though, thank fook...

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There you have it; Man Utd have no heratage or history, they just want to forget about their roots.

Oh it mattered enough though for a brief centenery kit in 1992/3 season.

KOP = King Over Pope

http://www.toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp

please read this article which I hope will clear up this thread.

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

I appreciate that if you're young you would naturally assume LFC had strong Irish links and yes they do - with travel agents and Loyalists. After Rangers LFC are the number one club of choice for the discerning Loyalist thug

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:D - Well Shamrock Rovers are the number one club of choice for chav scum, scumbags, scangers, armchair republicans, and in general the discerning common\republican thug. Whether you like it or not, Rovers have an awful lot in common with those Rangers boys in Glasgow......Ye should join up, fight each other, isn't that what yer all about at Rovers?

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaster

Liverpool's founder was a man by the name of John Houlding.

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I stand corrected, Houlding was actually the financial driving force behind Everton football club, and it was he who brought them to Anfield in the first place. When the dispute arose over rent, Everton left Anfield, Houlding left Everton and stayed on to form Liverpool Football Club. So Evertons origins are not Catholic. Source http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/lfc_story/1882.htm

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Originally Posted by anto1208

some one might be interested in an actuall answer based in facts not stuff like they have scarfs that say liverpool and celtic so they are irish ...........

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Read what I said FFS, I never said or claimed Liverpool were Irish. I said Liverpool FC and their supporters don't give a toss about religion. But you'll twist it to suit yourself to win an arguement. Go back and read what I said, try and grasp it for what it's worth :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by anto1208

KOP = King Over Pope

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Common misconception, KOP = King Over Pope is bullsh*t. The Kop was named after the Spion Kop hill in South Africa, where locals fought for the army in the Boer war.
"The Kop at Anfield dates back to 1905-06. At the end of that season which saw Liverpool lift the second of their league championships the directors at the club decided to reward the loyalty of the fans by building a new brick and cinder banking at the Walton Breck road end of the ground. It was christened as the Spion Kop by Ernest Jones in memory of the many scousers who died in battle over a hill in South Africa by the same name during the Boer War."
Source http://www.liverweb.org.uk/kop.htm

Regarding 'The Fields of Anfield Road', this is the history of how Liverpool fans adopted the Irish song:
"The original 'Fields Of Athenry' was written in 1979 and soon adopted by Celtic fans, but arguably the first time it was sung at Anfield was December 1995, when Ireland lost to Holland in their Euro 96 play-off. The website of Eircom, sponsors of the Republic side, recalls: "Nobody who was present at Anfield will ever forget the occasion. From the moment the Irish fans appeared in the famous Liverpool Kop, strains of 'The Fields Of Athenry' began to echo around the ground. At the other end, the massed ranks of Dutch supporters could only watch in admiration." The Liverpool version is believed to have originated in The Oakfield pub, home of the Liverpool Away Supporters Club, around 1997." The Hallmarks of a Hun club alright :p
Source http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/lfc_story/classics/ - and follow link.

Just thought I'd produce some facts, seeing that a lot of people are talking sh*t in this thread. And while we're on the Catholic v Protestant thing, who actually cares? I consider myself a Catholic, but only by birth. I am not a practicing catholic because I think it is a joke religion. The church is a joke, it's beliefs are dated and in some cases ridiculous, the church cermony, i.e. mass is laughable. It's the only religion where people attend, and stay at the back of the church so that they can leave as early as possible. People leave after communion. It's farcical! Not to mention the corruption and sexual abuse being an absolute disgrace.

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Originally Posted by stojkovic

Have to say, after reading all this 'religion in sport' stuff its started me thinking. I found out last month that Ajax are a Jewish club - I'm still in shock.

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They arent and never were.
I know sounds very weird as they have adopted 'jewishness' but the club has no major Jewish tradition and indeed the vast majority who attent matchdays have no attachment to Isreal or the Jweish religion..............they do it simply to annoy the other clubs as bizarre as it sounds.

There was an article on this very subject a few weeks back in either The Times or The Guardian, cant remember which.

As for the topic I always though Everton were the 'catholic team' and Liverpool the 'prodestant team'.
Dunno how or why I came to that conclusion but I presume someone told me years ago :confused:

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Originally Posted by AmenToThat

They arent and never were.
I know sounds very weird as they have adopted 'jewishness' but the club has no major Jewish tradition and indeed the vast majority who attent matchdays have no attachment to Isreal or the Jweish religion..............they do it simply to annoy the other clubs as bizarre as it sounds.

There was an article on this very subject a few weeks back in either The Times or The Guardian, cant remember which.

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Read the book - Ajax, The Dutch, The War.
It is a great insight into the Dutch mentality. I thought only the Irish were mixed up. Its a fabulous read. Jewish fans supoprted the club in the early days (Amsterdam=Diamonds) as the old stadium was located in the Jewish part of town and then obviously with WWII it was covered up. They are NOT a Jewish club but did have a following of Jewish fans. Outside of Poland, Amsterdam had the highest proportion of Jews killed during the war.
Recently YES they have been selling Israeli flags outside the stadium.

PS I was only joking about being 'shocked' to wind up WeAreRovers.

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Originally Posted by Declan_Michael

http://www.toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp

please read this article which I hope will clear up this thread.

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and this is excatly what i said that it was set up by the same people both prodistant ! from the same church and that neither are catolic or irish .

thank you for proving me right !!!

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The Hallmarks of a Hun club alright :p

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well yes coz you see they were set up by the same people if you bothered to read the messages properly you would see that both clubs are set up by the same people from st. domingo's church a prodistant church so neither are irish or catolic as i have been saying all along .
because everton are the club for the ordinary people of liverpool and most of them are irish this led to a sudo irish feel about the club .
liverpools irish feel comes from when irish kids started following them in the 80's and are now in there 20's same as all the kids jumping on the united band wagon now !

( sudo means false in case you dont understand )

just coz liverpool sing a song with the same tune as the fields of.... but with completly different words mean nothing .

plus for the record i did nt say any thing about king over pope even though you qouted me as saying it !!!

This thread is typical Irish we always seem to worm Religion in anywere we possibly can. STOP IT! :mad:

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( sudo means false in case you dont understand )

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Not being smart but do you mean 'pseudo' ?
If so, its not so much 'false' as in wrong its more 'fake', 'simulated' or 'pretend'.

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This thread is typical Irish we always seem to worm Religion in anywere we possibly can. STOP IT! :mad:

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if you paid attention you would see that no one thinks its important it was just something that cropped up about the history of 2 of the most important teams in footballing history