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Shane Redmond (Darlington); Seamus Coleman (Everton), Callum Morris (Newcastle United), Darren Dennehy (Gillingham), Cian Hughton (Lincoln City); David Meyler (Sunderland), Owen Garvan (Ipswich Town), Conor Clifford (Chelsea); Alan Judge (Plymouth Argyle), Cillian Sheridan (St. Johnstone), Sean Scannell (Crystal Palace)
Any streams for the game ?
Beyond a Joke at this stage:
0-1
http://www.uefa.com/under21/matches/...ght/index.html
ffs 2 nil down now
Thanks Boss, jeez - usual story so far!!
You think Givens would realise by now, that 4-3-3 is not working.
u would think by now John Delaney would realise Don Givens isnt workingQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
Absolutely disgraceful. We'll be ranked among Europes bottom seeds by the end of this campaign
lol - You can be in power too long you know!
Think it's time to make our voices heard on this debacle.
Dixon on - best of luck lad.
Absolutely. Givens can say his job is about bringing players through but it's surely not helpful to anyone to be losing every game like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
I'm finding it really depressing and I'm not even on the team. You'd imagine the young lads must be fairly fed up at this stage.
From the minutes, we seem to give away a lot of fouls. Garvan seems to be the main offender. I wonder how many of those lads playing tonight are ready to make the step up to senior level?
Clearly somebody else should be given the task of overseeing and developing the players at this level. Even allowing for the nature of players coming and going at U-21 our progress under Givens over the last few years has largely been shambolic, and not just from a results point of view either. If he was in charge of the senior team he'd have gotten the bullet long ago!
bring back Maurice Setters
Jesus, Maurice Pratt would even be better than Givens at this stage!!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
2-1, Daly, 10 minutes left.
Seems to be real end to end stuff at the moment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Same old story unfortunately!:(
One of the few times I have ever wished an Irish team not to score in the last 5 minutes. I think losing this match can only be for the greater good of finally getting rid of the disease that is Don Givens. Our under 21s have suffered enough under him and it is time for him to simply **** off
I think he is immune - regardless of results.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
You would think there would have to be a level to that immunity though. Being adrift in a group containing the powerhouses of Armenia, Estonia and Georgia really is humiliating. He must have one hell of a secret on DelaneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
GIVENS OUT!
It's getting beyond a joke at this point. It's a disgrace to the country that he still in charge!:mad:
What is Givens' record now with the U-21's? It must be well beyond just being bad into being utterly appalling.
It's a complete joke that he is allowed to continue. Even the Welsh and Scots have got their act together at U-21 level and are actually getting some decent results.
In any other job in world football at any level he would be sacked...he obviously hasnt got what it takes to coach at this level.
2 years and 4 months since he won a competitive game
Maybe its in his contract that if he wons a game he gets the sack!
Not so bad then.Quote:
Originally Posted by rambler14
Give Heighway the job!!!!!!
Who out of that group would be ready to step up to the senior team, given that we're looking for as many options as possible?Quote:
Shane Redmond (Darlington); Seamus Coleman (Everton), Callum Morris (Newcastle United), Darren Dennehy (Gillingham), Cian Hughton (Lincoln City); Conor Clifford (Chelsea), Owen Garvan (Ipswich Town), David Meyler (Sunderland); Alan Judge (Plymouth Argyle), Cillian Sheridan (St. Johnstone), Sean Scannell (Crystal Palace).
Substitutes: James McKeown (Peterborough United), Kevin Long (Burnley), Olanrewaju Oyebanjo (Histon), Seamus Conneely (Galway United), Scott Davies (Reading), Ian Daly (Aris Thessaloniki), Terry Dixon (West Ham United).
As I've said before coaching in all levels of Irish fooball must be put in foreign hands. Like the first team it takes a foreign coach like Charlton & McCarthy to get some degree of success abeit it just means qualifing for touraments, Trap was unlucky at the last hurdle this time but he will come up with the goods in this campaign I think. There is plenty young talent in Ireland but it's not being nurtured or coached properly sadly.
I would expect Coleman, Clifford, Garvan,Meyler, Scannell, Dixon and maybe Daly to get full caps.... thats not a bad bunch of players
Honestly, based on tonight's performance I woudn't say that any of them are ready for the step-up to senior level. In some cases (e.g. Coleman, Garvan, Scannell) we know they are capable of much better so maybe we can put it down to just a bad night but overall the standard was pretty poor and way too many passes went astray. Terry Dixon showed a couple of nice touches during his 30 minutes or so but he is clearly a long way from being fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
I was over at the game and I think Ireland would best be described as rudderless, there was no game plan, there was no direction from the sideline. The team has some very good players, Conor Clifford was a class apart from everyone else on the pitch. Defensively the team was all over the place, the keeper is average at best, both centre halves were error prone, Coleman was disappointing again (2nd time he's been poor when I've seen under 21's in Tallaght, still probably most promising of back 4), Cian Houghton is not even professional football quality, never mind international class, every time the ball was played to him he was hesitant and made poor decisions or lost possession. The midfield 3 had lots of ability and wanted the ball, I expected more from Garvan as he was the most experienced but he was overshadowed by Clifford, Meyler was decent too but had to make way for switch to 4-4-2 in second half. Judge was pretty effective on his wing Scannel was poor, looks to have lost his pace and doesn't have much else to offer, Sheridan still looks like he could be very good but he was probably too isolated. Dixon didn't do a lot when he came on, but it was great to just see the lad on a football pich, had one lovely turn that led to a chance. Daly looked OK, scored the goal and had a couple of other chances he might have done more with. Armenia well deserved the win, I'd put much I've the issues with the Irish performance down to lack of coaching, they just didn't seem to have any set plan or structure to their play.
Brian Kerr is the living proof that that's nonsense. I don't agree with the attitude that somehow Irish people aren't inherently good enough to coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
This I agree with, but it doesn't follow that we need to get in foreigners to do our own job.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
It seems we can base our judgements on the performances of the entire campaign. There have been some very poor results and as much as people love to blame managers, they are never solely to blame - the players must be lacking in something and must accept responsibility for their performances. They've lost 4-1 and 2-1 to Armenia, 3-0 to Turkey and have drawn 1-1 with Estonia, Georgia and Switzerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
Garvan is a worry as he does have the talent he doesn't seem to assert himself in games even against the likes of Armenia & co. For his own careers sake he needs to step up to the plate more often.
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Originally Posted by Predator
Yuor right Brian Kerr did a good job with the kids one time but he was brutal with the first team, no tactics and no motivational skills with players. Foreign coaches have to be brought in to give some fresh ideas and tactical know how. Irish people are good enough to coach but sadly can't seem to coach young Irish talent it seems.
Enough is enough lads, was hoping to get to this game tonight, expecting an Irish win. Didnt manage to make it but frankly am horrified by the result. Yes we can give the usual excuses, its a young team, the best players are moved up to the senior squad, a once off etc etc but not this time, the team are a joke at this stage and it is not good for their development. Givens must go. Stan would even do a better job at this stage.
I normally wouldnt advocate this sort of thing, but perhaps a petition should be put together to be presented to the FAI. This is no way for an underage team of a proud footballing nation to be performing. We are consistent, consistently poor. Seriously lack of direction, purpose and coaching, a change is a must and NOW
Spot on... Houghton is a joker, he is awful, possibly the worst player I've witnessed at International Level at any age group on any team, shocking bad... He better hope Chris Sutton doesn't get to see a video of the game...Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
Scannel is as bad, never once did he jump to compete for a header.. no desire to win the ball back... How he lasted that long on the pitch is beyond me..
Givens should be taken out of that job... he has nothing to offer at this stage... its highly disturbing that he will continue on with that job... there is no progress.. well maybe there is, we only conceded 2 against them this time!
not long home
Team was setup badly, none of the midfield 3 stayed in the holding position, and time and again Armenia exploited the space.
Morris was at fault for the opening goal, kept backing off and backing off, giving the striker space to run into before shooting. Second goal was direct from a free kick, nothing the keeper could do about it.
Garvan and Clifford both had good touches in midfield, Sheridan tried hard alone up front. Scannell and Judge swapped wings, and did little else.
Hughton was poor in possession.
If Moyes had seen Coleman at this game, he never would have signed the fullback, he looked like a pub footballer at times.
Goal only came when Armenia were down to ten men, forced in after a goalmouth scramble.
Couldn't believe what I was seeing at times.
The only way Givens will be removed from that post will be to replace Brady. Now that would be a absolute tragedy for Irish football. But I do agree the chap has to be got rid of immediately.