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I take it there's some pretty deep evil going down on Leeside now that you lot have locked your forum??*
*Yes I realise the probable pointlessness of this thread since if there is something ye don't want seen there you are hardly going to tell me about it here :p
They don't want you to see that Tom C intends joining forces with Danny Drew, taking over Limerick, merging Cork and Limerick to form Munster FC and play out of Musgrave Park. I kid you not LTID!.
This actually isn't the first I've heard of this idea :eek: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
I reckon if the two monkeys ever do get together in the same room we should just give them a typewriter see will they write the great Irish novel.
As long as it's called Crime and Punishment Volume II I reckon it'd be fitting.
The extra number of snooping guests who only appear when there's bad news was slowing it down. If you'd already been registered you can read away, most of it is gnashing of teeth over mathews 'sacking' and people insulting our new owner. There's also a thread about the Virgin mary appearing in an MRi ScanQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Today ...... City fans will be mainly ......... hurling abuse at people indescriminately and cranking up the panic machine a few notches.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Alternatively they could have a knife fight at half time in an LOI game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Will we ever see an anniversary like this ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
http://www.dailyshirts.com/wp-conten...knifefight.gif
The whole forum explained away in a few sentences?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Surely theres more complex folk than that over there? :confused: ;)
Sadly, the more complex individuals are eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by razor
(1) Buying into it
(2) Staying clear
The "complex" ones are buying in alright, I think the sensible ones are staying clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Self praise ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
This place could do with more CCFC fans posting anyway.
The students have the run of the place.
Not really, just some usual suspects lying particularly low.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Sure what else would they be doing with their timeQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
It's funny actually.
The rumours of what Mathews actually asked for are clearly being circulated (I'm sure we all heard them) so now people are starting to back off and dobt their earlier outrage. I give it two days before people will be outraged by Mat and cheering our new owner. Three days after that it'll change back again.
The drama!
They haven't hit my Inbox yet but i'm sure they will.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
I think its absolutely hilarious, my favourite phrase of the whole debacle is definitely the term "outraged" to describe Mats supporters. Ingenious.
Myself, I'm quite happy that we chose the players over Mat if it was simply a decision of who to keep, Joey and Dan or Alan! 2 of the best players in the league, or an unproven League manager...dont really see any difficulty in the decision...obviously wasnt handled that nicely, but hell man, this is business and in football, let alone League of Ireland football, business is really ****ing nasty.
Also, I note Mathews comments in defence about him being willing to see out his remaining 2 years on his contracts. How great of him to help negotiate Joey and Dans wages down, but to keep his extortionatly high contract. Top man Mat!
All very well saying that it's great to keep the players but where are you going to get the money to pay him off?. Pretty much every independent onlooker seems to fell he's entitled to one. But sure that's a worry for a year down the line and maybe it'll have fallen out of the sky by then.
Where were we going to get the money if we kept him on? We would be doing the exact same thing, just hemorrhaging it out at a slower rate. If we can knock off anything of his contract via an out of court settlement (which hopefully is the way this will go) then it might have been worth the risk. Dont get me wrong, this does put us still in a precarious position, but I am weirdly confident about the whole thing working out right. And it's not through ignorance. I am very aware that he is due a settlement, but SURELY so is Coughlan.
There's a lot to be said for paying things at a slower rate.
Plus not paying for a second manager.
By all accounts he was willing to take a pay cut and had shaken hands on the elements of a deal. Now maybe that was still too much, it seems it was, but any settlement is going to be based on his old contract and not his new contract. I don't see how that's saving money to be honest and where's the lump sum going to come from on top of paying a new manager?. I just think it was an ill thought out move personally
Maybe...but this way we wont have to pay off bonuses for our inevitable cup wins under him!:p
Not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Well I read interviews with him saying he'd accept a pay cut and reports from your chairman and general manager saying he'd agreed a new deal so there was at least a chance he was willing to work for less. It's the compensation issue that's most important though, refusing to work for less money is not a sackabale offence.
You're right in a lot of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Both sides admit they agreed a new contract, the Eveving Echo tomorrow is going to suggest that the club gave Mathews a different contract to what was agreed, on the other hand there are rumours that Mathews asked for add-ons that the club could not afford.
The chances are the truth is [as always] somewhere inbetween.
The key point for CCFC though is whether the previoous contract AM held has to be honoured, I expect it does.
Very sensible post tiktok I can see why you're not bothering with the other forum. Only one mention of "the truth" and no "spoofer"..
The talk on that forum of people not buying season tickets amazes and aggrevates me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Why are they not buying season tickets..? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by HammerNThongs
In fairness, a lot of people have made it clear that they're not committing until our licence is issued because they'd (rightly) expect a first division licence to cost less money. There's nothing wrong with that Forum for the record, as a source of CCFC news, it's unrivalled (of course as a source of nonsense it's also unrivaled so you have to know who to believe :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HammerNThongs
This is the bit that really confuses me i have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Is Tom Coughlan really that thick that he would fire the manager forcing him into a pay-off? All his actions so far have indicated that he has very little money to spend, i.e only 16 pro's next year, the sale of the Kevin Doyle clause etc.
Also, why did Gamble and Behan sign reduced deals knowing if they refused to do so the club would have to pay them the terms of thier old contract anyway?
:confused:
Must be or maybes hes hit the Christmas gargle early:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
You're talking about the same man/club that didn't realise there was a November 31st deadline for licencing recently :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
When was that? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
I can't remember but ask Tom:DQuote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
November 31st? Is that before or after the 29th of February?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Maybe, but if you support the club and are willing to pay if we have a Premier Division licence anyway, and you know the club doesnt have a lot of money, then I see it as being extremely fickle. Fair enough if they arent regular season ticket holders, but if they are people who have been getting tickets for the last few years, I dont see what their gripe is. It's only hurting the club with that kind of attitude. A lot of clubs seem to base budgets on season ticket sales figures as well....but feck it, there is no reasoning with some people on that board.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
That can be said for a large portion of city fans, its always been our problem imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by HammerNThongs
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Originally Posted by A face
Aye, i suppose your right. Some may say the same of myself I guess! It took all of a bout 2 seconds after us exiting Examinership before little cliques and sides were being taken again!
I will not be renenwing the two season tickets I got last year just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by HammerNThongs
Mr. Coughlan who purports ( with or without others?) to own the club is clearly in an.......ahem........highly leveraged situation. To buy season tickets at this stage is akin to advancing an interest free loan to this gentleman which, of course, is fair enough!
However, given some of his recent decisions ( which may well turn out to be correct for all we know) it is difficult to be convinced that he wil be able to deliver on his side of the equation.
There are still, it appears, unpaid creditors. There are still unpaid players. Mr. Mathews may well succeed in securing a sizable pay off.
It would be absolute folly to buy a season ticket until it's clear that there will actually be a season.
I'm one of those "people on that board" as you put it. Was that reason enough for you?
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimhacker
I see no reason to believe there wont be a season, where is another story. Wherever we are we will still need the money, players must be paid etc etc. None of that changes.
I know you are, and I did say some. It's the some that make me annoyed with the place and totally stopped me posting though I do still lurk occasionally just for news. Anyway, as for your reasons, as naive as I may seem, this is how I see it:Quote:
Originally Posted by jimhacker
No it's not. It is giving money to the club I support. TC is just a caretaker in the grand scheme of Cork City FCs history and future, should we have one, and in order to insure we do, the club needs money, money that will come from season ticket holders. I am giving money to CCFC, not to Tom Coughlan. It is mere coincidence that he is the one who currently dictates how this money is put to use. Being a football fan, this is part of the price you pay. You are not responsible for the product on display that you have the fortune/misfortune to watch.Quote:
Mr. Coughlan who purports ( with or without others?) to own the club is clearly in an.......ahem........highly leveraged situation. To buy season tickets at this stage is akin to advancing an interest free loan to this gentleman which, of course, is fair enough!
His recent decisions have been perplexing for sure, but like, for example the Kevin Doyle decision that was made, it may turn out to be a good thing as Reading could have bent us over a table (yet again!!!) with how they chose to structure his inevitable transfer out of the club in a couple of years time. Maybe the Mathews decision, which seems to be the great divider at the moment, will be resolved in a similar light. Maybe it wont. No matter what happened, unless we had someone with real actual liquid funds and pretty much no regard for them, this situation that we are currently in, was never going to be an easy one for the owners. People complain about Coughlan having no money and they did the same for Lennox, but Mr W had access to more funds then both these guys combined and his the cockmuncher that got us in this situation in the first place.Quote:
However, given some of his recent decisions ( which may well turn out to be correct for all we know) it is difficult to be convinced that he wil be able to deliver on his side of the equation.
And not giving the club money to sort that out is good how?Quote:
There are still, it appears, unpaid creditors. There are still unpaid players. Mr. Mathews may well succeed in securing a sizable pay off.
Like micls, I dont doubt that there will be a season next season and I also am oddly confident that it will be a Premier Division season. And **** it, if it's the First then so be it. Gamble and Murray have signed up with this risk in mind, I think I can too.Quote:
It would be absolute folly to buy a season ticket until it's clear that there will actually be a season.