feelings regarding roy keane

i was wondering what everyone on the boards opinion was regarding roy keane? do you still respect him or hold him more as a traitor?

i realize this is terribly outdated and all, but i live in the US, new york to be exact, and as a huge football fan it is very hard, and even more frustrating, to understand what the exact feelings are regarding certain players and controversies in their home countries. from other Irish fans in the US i have heard mixed feelings. some people still revere him, while another time some guys threatened to fight me because i was wearing a keane ireland shirt (even though ironically it was robbie....shows what
dedicated" fans they were). thanks!

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Yep this one will run and run :eek:

yes, that's why i felt bad especially for this being my first post. so i am assuming that this means in ireland as well as elsewhere feelings are mixed?

mixed isn't the word fishtail, there are very few on the fence for this one. and to be fair you can make convincing arguments for both sides, it's down to one's own feeling.....

my feelings were probably clouded by a long held frustration with the FAI. I came down on the side of Keane, i felt he was set up at the meeting in Saipan (although his reaction to obvious baiting was ott) i felt that it clouded a disappointing WC performance and led to too much credit to McCarthy and the FAI.
I wish both he and McCarthy had been big enough men to put the problems behind them for three weeks.
as for the mooted return under Kerr, Johnny Giles recent comments won me over, quoted in a recent thread, he may have overtrained in an effort to come back after injury last year, came back off form, i honestly think after this he would have felt his career was going to be shortened and that he had less to offer (he was a shadow of his former self last season) so he made the decision based on that, that he's come back to play so well this season is a credit to him.....

a traitor? not for me.

Well as Keane seem to be back on form and free from injury, as far as I can see (He seems to be playing as good as he ever has
recently), I think it might not be a bad idea if he played in the
crucial qualifier againt Switzerland.
Its only one game, and it would leave things on a positive footing
whatever the result.
I don't think it would upset the team as it is a little 'uncertain'
about its best 11.
Keane would have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
But something tells me it won't ever happen, but who knows?
Who thought Peter Kenyon (and probably Ferguson next) would
leave Man United?
Prehaps if every one in Ireland has a whip round and gives Keane
a few million £ he will play, money seems the only motivation
for anyone these days.

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i think its safe to say now after recent performances that we will never see another player of roy keanes calibre in the irish midfield

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Originally posted by tricky_colour

Prehaps if every one in Ireland has a whip round and gives Keane
a few million £ he will play,

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Cheeky. But even if you were serious, there's not a hope he'll play for us again.

I'm on keane's side. His knees are in bad shape and he needs to take care of himself. Also, I think the FAI treated players badly and Roy got sick of it. At this stage, there is too much bitterness on both sides, so I can't see him coming back, even for one game. Plus, I am sure that Sir Alex has put presure on him not to return, and we know how Keane respects his opinions.

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Originally posted by Conor74
Hate him. Faking injuries for the qualifiers (and McCarthy was as bad to cooperate in that scam), the World Cup, the shafting of Kerr, and always....always...the dogwalking...:D :D

As far as I'm concerned, he is up there with Conor Cruise O'Brien in my short list of despised Irishmen...

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He played in the Irish Shirt for Ireland and was the best international midfielder at one stage.

Anyone who can claim to have put in so much to the national team I think could feel justified in their bad feelings to Keane, (or good)


The rest are a bit jealous at their own shortcomings, the Irish mentality of give us everything for nothing or we'll hate you comes up again.

And this abusive language thing well that is just people jumping on the Quinn bandwagon, what footballer doesn't curse. and before you start a curse is a curse is a curse, none are worse than others.


WHat have you done for Ireland?????? How do you support your own country???? where are all your clothes made, all these drinks and food substances imported that are bought by the Irish.

Keane did more for Ireland than anyone on these boards, so I don't think anyone has a right to say he is a tratior, hate him if you want but he's done more for the country and his Family(and dog) so how does he still become a bad man.

Conor I take it you do not own a dog????


So who want the soap box???

If we were to qualify for Euro2004 and Roy Keane trumped to declare himself available for selection once again, I'd respect the managers decision whether he brought him back or not.
To be fair Roy has contributed a lot to the Ireland team and made the ultimate sacrifice before the World Cup. I'm not about to go into the reasons of what happened or begin to apportion blame but if he was the best player available for selection then of course he should play. Richard Sadlier is an example of how injury can end your career at any time and I would never blame a man for putting his own health before the entertainment of others.

To me, any player who refuses to make himself available for selection for his country is an *******. It's an honour to be allowed to wear the green jersey. He doesn't want to. That's his perogative, but in my mind it makes him an *******. Also his messing around and unprofessionalism in Saipan was the cause of Colin Healy (a player who knows what an honour it is to play for your country) missing the chance of playing in the World Cup. This was unforgiveable.

He carried that midfield for years, he made very average players like Kinsella look good.

The current pair only seem to know how to pass a ball sideways

Legend.... Love to see him back, but can't see it happening...

This from UWSonline.com...

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Alex clear on Keane resurgence

By Steve
Date: 8/9/2003

The reason for Roy Keane's 'resurgence' this season, which has seen him back to his old self, has been largely due to the fact he's retired from the International scene according to Alex.

"Taking away his international duties has given Roy Keane an opportunity when he can get a break.
"We have sent him away this week, given him four or five days off, so he can rest and get ready for our next game against Charlton.
"He has already shown the benefits of rest. He had a good summer, prepared himself really well, kept his training regime going and kept himself fresh.
"We have seen the results of that and hopefully he's back to being Roy Keane," added Alex.

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Originally posted by Conor74
Dricky, we finally disagree!!!

I don't think you have to be Taoiseach for 10 years before you can criticise Bertie Ahern

I don't think you have to be leader of the Republican Party before you criticise George Bush.

I don't think you have to be a complete c*** before you criticise Margaret Thatcher.

And I really don't think you need to be an international footballer before you can criticise Roy Keane....

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I always disagree on the RK thing as this holier than thou thing comes from people who have never done anything for their country except bitch about people better than us.

How can we on these boards one minute slate the barstoollers and then do the exact same thing as they do..... complain when things aren't done the way we expect. We complain that the Barstoolers just take the info they have from RTE and the Press. This is no different there is no proof that keane was instigator there is proof from all quoted that McM was the antagonist.

They all curse.


Are you a dog owner, Dogs need to be walked or the sh!t all over the place, wives and babies don't normally bring the dog for a walk.

Anyone who owns a dog will tell you that it is part of their family. and the family is more important than the press.

Okay I have voted in the elections and I pay my taxes in Ireland so Bertie is fair Game. He is our representative so I can slate him all I want.

GW Bush has violated the UN resolutions enough said.

M T did more to try to destroy the Irish than Queen Lizze the first.

No you don't have to be a footballer before you can criticise Roy Keane but face it he has done more for the country than you have.

He never did anything to attack the country, didn't try to kill anyone, didn't break contract. got fired and the first think he did was look to go home to his wife and family. So basically he acted as if he was a normal person would.

I do believe the people who are entitled to hold court on their opinion of him are the international footballers as the are his peers but to pretend to be shocked at foul words shows that you can lie to the Press, there is no other way about it, Quinn is quoted as saying he had never heard language like that before. Do you believe him on that.

He gave a hell of a lot to Ireland and when he was fired for his abusive language and wanted to go home to his wife and kids and dog then the Irish see it as not being IRISH.

You recently got married Conor whats more important to you your family or your job??

Whats more important your peace of mind or looking good in the press.
so to sum up the man got fired from a non professional sport for having a heated argument with his boss, leaves goes home to his family and then walks the dog. He is human a human who gave a lot to the team he played for. His only crime is he is Roy Keane....

So if your friend brother sister did this would you criticise them???

So how can he be criticised for doing something that anyone else would have done. If your boss set you up would you smile and take it?? He was wrong to blow the lid but then I know I would blow the lid in such a situation and I should be fired for that.

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Originally posted by Greenbod
To me, any player who refuses to make himself available for selection for his country is an *******. It's an honour to be allowed to wear the green jersey. He doesn't want to. That's his perogative, but in my mind it makes him an *******. Also his messing around and unprofessionalism in Saipan was the cause of Colin Healy (a player who knows what an honour it is to play for your country) missing the chance of playing in the World Cup. This was unforgiveable.

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What about all the games where he played lest you forget!!!!!

How can you tell if Keane felt honour or not???? How are you the judge of Honour. Its an honour to go into a hospital and see terminally ill children smiling and be happy even though they know they are going to die. Different people’s opinion of honour but one is more realistic than the other.

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Originally posted by Dricky
Quinn is quoted as saying he had never heard language like that before. Do you believe him on that.

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He wouldn't want to stand in section O then

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Originally posted by Dricky
You recently got married Conor whats more important to you your family or your job??

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CJH? Bertie? FF? :D

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Originally posted by Macy
He wouldn't want to stand in section O then


CJH? Bertie? FF? :D

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LOL :D :D :D

It 's like were takling kitchen utensils

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Originally posted by Dricky
What about all the games where he played lest you forget!!!!!

How can you tell if Keane felt honour or not???? How are you the judge of Honour. Its an honour to go into a hospital and see terminally ill children smiling and be happy even though they know they are going to die. Different people’s opinion of honour but one is more realistic than the other.

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I don't forget the games where he played. He is a great footballer. I don't believe anybody doubts that. He is blessed with an amazing talent. He has chosen not to use that talent any longer for his country. He is perfectly entitled to make that choice just as I am entitled to criticize him for it.

I disagree with your hospital analogy. The difference between going into a hospital to visit sick children and playing football for your country should be obvious. Anyone can visit a hospital, you must be selected to play for your country ie given the honour. I do respect him for the good charitable work he does (along with many others), but in terms of the national team and football (what this forum is all about), I have no respect for him or his choices.

I supported him blindly during the WC and beyond praying that McCarthy would be gone by the time the Qualifiers came.

When Mick went I though ah great ..time for Roy to return and what did he do...STICK A BIG TWO FINGERS UP TO IRELAND and say no thanks as 6 qualifiers in 12 months would hurt my poor old knees. What a load of ******.

No one man is bigger than the team.....unless its Richard Dunne

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He should also be remembered for what he did in the green jersey....watch the video of the portugal game in dublin ..on his own he nearly beat them.. absolutely incredible..way better than that performance for utd against Juventus.

We mightn't always agree with him but remember he was OURS and he was CLASS