Scrap the goal bonus?

Is the goal bonus the wrong incentive for City players?

In general, teams perform a lot better when they play as a unit and collectively striving to win games. The goal bonus does not lend itself to that at times, proved when you see players take a strike on goal that would never go in when they had an easier option to square it for a certain goal. I know this happens anyway but its even more so with the bonus.

If the team cannot be motivated to play well together purely for the sake of winning and doing well and accomplishing their own personal and collective objectives then adding a goal bonus is never going to help that actually happen.

Some players become pedestrian and passengers on the team and its down to them having different motives, or lack of a determination to achieve. I think they are removed from the objective because they play a different role in the team, which is no less important than scoring goal but they do not get rewarded for their efforts. It actually detracts for the team effort.

In short, I think it’s a bad move and needs to be looked at.

Theres nothing we can do about it. It's in the players contracts.

I think its a bad move. It should be 250 for the scorer and 250 for an assist.

But, it's too late now. Something to look at in future contracts

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Originally Posted by micls

It should be 250 for the scorer and 250 for an assist.

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Why? What is it at the moment, roughly like?

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Why? What is it at the moment, roughly like?

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Depends on the player, but Mooney, George and the like are on 500 euro goal bonus. Cost us 2500 euro last night...

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Originally Posted by micls

Depends on the player, but Mooney, George and the like are on 500 euro goal bonus. Cost us 2500 euro last night...

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Exactly, well its not even about the money, but if the team cant motivate themselves to score one more than Cobh then whats the point? They should be wanting to win the game, not wanting a goal bonus.

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Originally Posted by micls

Depends on the player, but Mooney, George and the like are on 500 euro goal bonus.

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Thats quite a bonus when the players are being paid (what I'm sure is) a decent salary to score goals in the first place. I have a few questions.

Is it paid out regardless of the circumstances - would it be paid out for a last minute penalty in a 4-1 loss, for example? Also, do keepers have a clean sheet bonus?

Was this something the players were asking for, or an administration idea?

How would people feel about win bonuses, rather than scoring bonuses (although you may already have win bonuses also)? It addresses the issue A Face was talking about, as it encourages a team performance more than individual bonus does.

But I'd also agree with him that a player shouldn't need any extra incentive to want to score goals and play a part in their team winning.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Thats quite a bonus when the players are being paid (what I'm sure is) a decent salary to score goals in the first place. I have a few questions.

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The original idea was lower basic salaries with bigger bonuses. i dunno how the lower basic salary think worked out though

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Do keepers have a clean sheet bonus?

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Yes, as do defenders

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Also, it it paid out regardless of the circumstances - would it be paid our for a last minute penalty in a 4-1 loss, for example?

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Yes. id imagine itd be too hard to catergorise the goals

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Was this something the players were asking for, or an administration idea?

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Probably a bit of both but I now the low basic and big bonuses idea was popular with administration.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

How would people feel about win bonuses, rather than scoring bonuses (although you may already have win bonuses also)? It addresses the issue A Face was talking about, as it encourages a team performance more than individual bonus does.

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One idea was that keep the 500 bonus but it goes towards a fund for all the players towards a end of year holiday.

Made more sense to me. Its a silly idea conceived by a man with no football knowledge, not realising what it would promote in what should be a team game.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

But I'd also agree with him that a player shouldn't need any extra incentive to want to score goals and play a part in their team winning.

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I agree. However if it was used as was the intention, bonuses as opposed to high wages, then it makes sense. Particularly in our league where everything depends on your success.

It protects the club from going through a very lean spell and having big wages to pay every week

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Originally Posted by micls

The original idea was lower basic salaries with bigger bonuses. i dunno how the lower basic salary think worked out though

Yes, as do defenders

Yes. id imagine itd be too hard to catergorise the goals

Probably a bit of both but I now the low basic and big bonuses idea was popular with administration.

One idea was that keep the 500 bonus but it goes towards a fund for all the players towards a end of year holiday.

Made more sense to me. Its a silly idea conceived by a man with no football knowledge, not realising what it would promote in what should be a team game.

I agree. However if it was used as was the intention, bonuses as opposed to high wages, then it makes sense. Particularly in our league where everything depends on your success.

It protects the club from going through a very lean spell and having big wages to pay every week

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Cheers micls.

How long has it been around, and if it has been around a while, has anybody compared their earnings with estimated earnings under a more conventional contract.

I can understand the attraction of a lower base salary with bonuses - as you say it would protect the club during lean times, but it just seems likely (to me) that you'd get a lot of bitching about who didn't pass to who, and why player X is a greedy b******d for not giving the ball to the equally greedy player Y.

All that said, have there been any rumblings of dissatisfaction from the players or admin?

There needs to be just a 'win' bonus.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Cheers micls.

How long has it been around, and if it has been around a while, has anybody compared their earnings with estimated earnings under a more conventional contract.

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Just this season afaik. Id imagine there were always goal bonuses but not as high

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Originally Posted by osarusan

I can understand the attraction of a lower base salary with bonuses - as you say it would protect the club during lean times, but it just seems likely (to me) that you'd get a lot of bitching about who didn't pass to who, and why player X is a greedy b******d for not giving the ball to the equally greedy player Y.

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Completely agree with you. I agree with the idea of low base plus bonuses but it should be implemented better. For example if the assist bonus was equal to the goal bonus(both being lower than the 500).

Or a high win bonus etc.

We completely went the wrong way about it, but as I said at the time it was a man who didnt understand football making the decisions. The new man will hopefully have more sense.

I havnt hears any rumblings apart from fans but I wouldnt have contact with any players or anything.

All that said, have there been any rumblings of dissatisfaction from the players or admin?[/QUOTE]

I thought this was reverted to some sort of holiday fund.

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Originally Posted by Risteard

I thought this was reverted to some sort of holiday fund.

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No. There was talk that they wanted too, of course they forgot that it was already written int he contracts so couldnt be changed

The goal bonus is a ridiculous idea. Dont think George has passed the ball to anyone all season.

Should be win bonus only as this would make them play more as a team.

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Originally Posted by viagogo

The goal bonus is a ridiculous idea. Dont think George has passed the ball to anyone all season.

Should be win bonus only as this would make them play more as a team.

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The goal bonus is a better idea than a win bonus as fans want to see more goals. I'd prefer to see more games like Friday nights 5-0 wins instead of sitting back on 1-0 leads.

The only problem is that it may lead to selfish players in front of goal. If the goal bonus was divided amongst all players who appeared in the game it would be better.